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  For those who are still in... What do you do about field service?

  by Wait For It in

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  for those of you who are still in because of family circumstances, what do you do about field service?

  do you still go regularly, sporadically or not at all?.

  if you do still go, how do you manage?

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  Londo111

  I feel your y'all. I understand there are circumstances where stepping away just isn't an option.
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  Fred Franz as Ghostwriter for Rutherford

  by slimboyfat in

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  it has been claimed that franz was a ghostwriter for rutherford in formulating many on the more obscure allegorical interpretations, and "classes" doctrines of the 1930s and 1940s.

  i wonder just how much evidence there is for this.

  if there any contemporary testimony that franz did a lot of the writing for rutherford?

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  I wonder if anyone has tried textual analysis to test this hypothesis. There are several online tools for this. One could compare a work that it is known Franz wrote. Then compared it to something he may have ghostwritten for Rutherford.
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  New commentary on revelation coming up?

  by EdenOne in

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  i heard through the grapevine about a forthcoming book:.

  together through the great tribulation - come to jehovah's mountain.

  still awaiting solid confirmation though.

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  Londo111

  Recently, they've updated the "two witnesses" of Revelation 11 to the Governing Body of 1918/1919. I'm assuming the "John Class" will become the Governing Body as well.
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  New commentary on revelation coming up?

  by EdenOne in

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  i heard through the grapevine about a forthcoming book:.

  together through the great tribulation - come to jehovah's mountain.

  still awaiting solid confirmation though.

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  Londo111

  If true, I look forward to debunking it.
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Londo111

  Rank and file JWs are not to blame for the practice...they are doing what they are taught in an effort to "get their time in" and avoid "bloodguilt". Watchtower might step back with a wink and disavow it, but the rank and file only do what they are taught.
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Also this: "the faith did not dictate to its members how they spread the word."

  What on earth?
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Theocratic warfare is on display and the journalists and non-JW experts seem to fall for it. In particular, I have a gripe about this: 'The Jehovah's Witness website says "disfellowshipped" former members are not to be ostracised by still-believing family members.'

  Watchtower's careful wording on this and other subjects is evil genius PR.
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  Londo111

  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/Former-Jehovahs-Witness-admits-We-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit

  Jehovah's Witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.

  Vince and Michele Tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of Wellington woman Jean Sergent-Shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a Jehovah's Witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.

  A current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative. However, he concedes such people may feel guided by Jehovah's Witness literature.

  But Vince Tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.

  "Not only do we see Watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what Jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for JWs to go to cemeteries to look for people as well."

  Jehovah Witness literature talks of the value of "witnessing" at cemeteries, such as the woman in Chile who wasconverted at her 12-year-old son's grave, through to the multiple sclerosis-suffering Witness who goes through obituaries to find relatives to write to.

  As far back as 1938, a Jehovah's Witness car equipped with sound equipment travelled between cemeteries in Brazil, a 2016 edition of Watchtower said.

  "On All Souls' Day, the sound car went from cemetery to cemetery playing the records Where Are the Dead?,Jehovah, and Riches, reaching over 40,000 mourners."

  Jehovah's Witness senior elder Jason Piscopo​, from Sydney, said the faith did not dictate to its members how they spread the word. While door-to-door was its trademark, there were other accepted ways too.

  Literature that discussed people going through obituaries or visiting cemeteries did not amount to a directive, but was instead "there to show what others had done".

  It would be "inaccurate" to claim the faith targeted any one group within society, he said.

  Tylor, who lives in Hawaii, said he left the faith via an official letter a decade ago after becoming aware of what he called its flip-flopping on life-saving measures such as vaccination and organ donation.

  His wife whom he met through the faith, was initially reluctant to leave, but eventually did. Two of their three children also left, but their eldest stayed, and effectively disowned his parents.

  When Michele Tylor saw her 10-year-old grandson out preaching recently, "he didn't even know me", she said.

  The Jehovah's Witness website says "disfellowshipped" former members are not to be ostracised by still-believing family members.

  GRIEF TARGETING: THE ULTIMATE COLD CALL

  Massey University history professor Peter Lineham, who specialises in New Zealand religion, said "grief targeting" was the ultimate cold-call.

  He compared preying on emotionally vulnerable people and identifying mourners from death notices as similar to thieves stealing from houses they knew were unoccupied because the residents were at a wedding or a funeral.

  The faith typically had weaker control over its members than other religions, and pushed members to take the initiative in soliciting conversions.

  "Jehovah's Witnesses quite manifestly encourage members to seek every opportunity they can. There are very few guidelines around what they can and can't do."

  There was no authority in New Zealand that could deal with complaints around grief targeting.

  The Advertising Standards Authority could possibly tackle complaints, but they would be hard to stack up, he said. Even though an argument could made that business was being solicited, the only transaction was in the "currency of faith".
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  Which Public Talks did you enjoy giving/hearing? And which ones did you dislike giving or hearing?

  by humblepotato in

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  i was just going through some of my talk outlines and i've decided to git rid of quite a few of them.

  i'm still serving, but as time goes on... there are many subjects i will not teach anymore.. i got rid of the outlines dealing with blood, the field ministry, and ones talking about 607 and 1914. i can barely stand hearing them let alone give them.

  in fact, talk 41 "stand still and see the salvation of jehovah" is one i got rid of because its whole point was about having blind obedience toward the gb and the elders during the great tribulation, and that we need to start practicing obedience now if we want to survive.

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  Humblepotato,

  Talks with 607 and 1914 could be used to seed thoughts, encourage research and questions asked such as:

  * How many could explain this? Why not?

  * How would you answer if a household asked you...? Are you truly prepared to answer?

  * Have you looked at approved sources Watchtower has quoted from to support these views?

  
  

  
  
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  Are we sure that there aren't more 'compound'-ish structures?

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wasn't sure where to put this but .... .

  so mr bsom and i got to talking and we got to wondering if there aren't other compound like buildings being structured, or if assembly halls have been built with greater living quarters?

  the entirety of this situation is really beginning to shape up like the davidians or jim jones.

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  If they ever do build secret bunkers for JWs to hide out in the "Great Tribulation" it will leak and be posted on this forum.