Posts by Londo111

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Return to Jehovah… No Return Address

by Marvin Shilmer in

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return to jehovah... no return address .

today i read a small piece of poetic irony.

im not going to advertise from what web forum i read this, but it was so astounding i had to share it somewhere.

Londo111

I can’t think of any other brochure in the history of the organization that has been dedicated to try to win people back. If this is true, it might be that the Society realizes there is a vast population of former and inactive JWs. In many lands, like the US, growth from recruitment is a bust. Most of the new members are children of JWs and only 1 out of 3 of those remain.
Many who leave, in particular the inactive, but also those who are DFed, even a few who DAed, still do not know TTATT. They have lingering feelings that it might be the truth. Therefore such a brochure could be targeting to those people. Targetting attritors might be the only way in some lands to mine any growth.

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Mind control.

by New day in

in a recent thread someone mentioned that the wtbts uses mind control techniques.

do you think this is a conscious ploy?

if it is it would mean that the leaders of my religion (i am still an active jw) set out consciously to control people.

Londo111

A person doesn’t become an indoctrinated cult member overnight. It is a gradual process.
Similarly, many groups did not become a cult (a group that employs mind-control aka undue influence) instantly or even purposely. They evolved from a fringe movement into a high control group over time. The group semiconsciously does what it needs to do to perpetuate itself…those fringe groups that did not evolve withered away into obscurity.
For instance, whatever happened to Barbour’s group after Russell split off from him? Does his group still exist? If it does, it is very very small.
Of course, had not WWI happened in 1914, the Bible Students would’ve had a similar fate. Even then, the Watchtower would’ve likely remained an obscure group, like the present Bible Students, if Rutherford had not taken tyrannical control and gradually creating a centralized top-down organization.

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Awake! Quotes a Well-Known ex-JW Apostate in Support of Their Beliefs!?!

by Oubliette in

konceptual99, referenced this article on another thread: .

was it designed?

the inverted retina.

Londo111

Isn't Jerry Bergman a psychologist? This is likely a biologist by the same name.

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POLL: Will You Be Attending The Memorial & If You Are---Why?

by minimus in

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i was just invited.

i thanked my old elder friend and he left.

(i'm not going).

Londo111

Nope! This will be the third one I've missed.

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With two questions, i recieved two lies from some cart witnesses.

by brandnew in

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today i walked up to a group of cart witnesses and picked up a watchtower.

i opened the watchtower up to the first page , and asked one of the witnesses if he had read it.. lie # 1... he said he read it.. i ask my second question to a woman witness sitting next to him , who by the way was hard to tear away from her cell phone..... "whats this watchtower about?

, "........ lie # 2 ... she said she read it , but forgot "exactly" what the main points were about..

Londo111

Sadly, I do remember what I had for lunch last Wednesday: a cheesesteak without the bun or cheese sauce. :)

But point taken.

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Can we verify that Watchtower is on lockdown right now?

by Newly Enlightened in

there is a rumor going around that watchtower is on lockdown right now and the news media parked outside, circling like vultures every since the abc nightline report, is there anyone that can verify it true or not?.

https://youtu.be/ilbvzop6uua.

Londo111

An easy way to tell if a rumor is true or not: it comes from “Six Screens”.
The National Inquirer has more credibility.

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Do JW Children Still Call Adults "Aunt" and "Uncle"?

by cofty in

when i was young we were taught to refer to other adult jws as aunt or uncle.. was this also the case in other countries and does it still happen?.

was it just a custom or has the literature ever commented on it?.

thanks.

Londo111

I've never heard of this practice...

Of course, I'm in the US.

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With two questions, i recieved two lies from some cart witnesses.

by brandnew in

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friends

today i walked up to a group of cart witnesses and picked up a watchtower.

i opened the watchtower up to the first page , and asked one of the witnesses if he had read it.. lie # 1... he said he read it.. i ask my second question to a woman witness sitting next to him , who by the way was hard to tear away from her cell phone..... "whats this watchtower about?

, "........ lie # 2 ... she said she read it , but forgot "exactly" what the main points were about..

Londo111

They might have read them, or at least skimmed them, but how much did they retain? There is so much activity, meetings and "studying" that retention is a real problem within the org.

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Who exactly is an apostate?

by SonoftheTrinity in

if you are a non-believing relative or spouse who is hostile to their doctrine are you an apostate?

if you studied with them and rang the logical fallacy buzzer for chits and giggles to see how they would react does this make you an apostate?.

if you are a born in who never got baptised does this make you an apostate?.

Londo111

If a person was never technically a JW, then they would earn the label “opposer”. Some JWs can’t make a real distinction between the two. Either category could produce an unfortunate flight-or-fight response.

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the Witch of Endor

by Magnum in

1sa 28:3-25 (nwt - not revised version).

7 finally saul said to his servants: seek for me a woman who is a mistress of spirit mediumship, and i will go to her and consult her.

then his servants said to him: look!

Londo111

About Psalm 37:29, the word in Hebrew is olam, which means basically 'time indefinite'. And really, instead of "Earth" as in the planet, the Psalmist likely had in mind "land".

It is not really prooftext for individuals living eternally in a paradise earth, but that righteous Jews as a class would live in the Promised Land for time indefinite.