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  TOP 10 REASONS that for JW's REALITY = access denied!

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1.the organization itself denies access to reality and substitutes its own alternate reality of counterfeit "meaning".. a.only watchtower approved publications are worthwhile reading material.. b.no higher education is to be pursued.. c.no non-jw friends or associations are encouraged with their "outside" points of view.. d.no free-style questioning of doctrine or criticism permitted.

  curiousity is verboten.. e.threat of being "marked" or disassociated looms as an invisible gun aimed at members at every moment!.

  2.between every real-world event and the rank and file jw's mind is a roadblock.. a.the moment of identifying is short-circuited by an interpretive moment of re-labeling in watchtower-speak.. b.all things happening are forced into a narrow storyline and propagandized as end times happenings leading to armageddon.. 3.social and personal identity is expunged and replaced by a collective persona of "jehovah's witness".. a.private thinking is red-flagged as self-centered and sinful.. b.personal improvement, welfare and ambition is labeled repugnant.

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  Ayn Rand - Anthem
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  Sad Discussion Regarding Beards

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so both my wife and i are awake to ttatt.

  we are still active, patiently waiting for the org to implode.

  being active, it is evident this is happening as a quickening.. we were having a discussion regarding shaving & beards.

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  Badfish

  I was never baptized but was a publisher. They made the announcement at the KH that I was "no longer a publisher" at the age of 17 in the late 90's because of my hair and beard. But since there are no scriptures about hair and beards, I called the elders and asked them why I was removed. They said it was for "loose conduct." Whatever that means.

  When the elders met with me about my long hair, they said that long hair is associated with being homosexual and feminine and beards were a fad with the world.

  i responded (this was the late 90's) that actually, the current style for my age group was not to have a beard, and most of the gays had short hair - I wouldn't be mistaken for a girl with my beard.

  No comment from them. I'm pretty sure I knew more about the current styles at 17 than the two 60+ elders that met with me.
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  Sad Discussion Regarding Beards

  by turtleturtle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so both my wife and i are awake to ttatt.

  we are still active, patiently waiting for the org to implode.

  being active, it is evident this is happening as a quickening.. we were having a discussion regarding shaving & beards.

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  Badfish

  I remember in the 90's when I was in a car group and a younger brother said he can't wait until he no longer has to shave in the New System. An elder who was sitting in the car got upset and corrected him and said we would always have to shave and reminded him that there are no beards in any of the pictures of the New System in the publications, meaning we we always have to shave.

  I asked the elder if Abraham will be resurrected clean shaven or with a beard. He said if he's resurrected with a beard, he'll have to shave it.
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  Post 666: Revelation--Its Grand Climax in 70 AD

  by Londo111 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  revelation is the most misunderstood and misused book of the bible.

  the branch davidians and other cults used revelation with deadly results.

  fundamentalists have used it to prognosticate a future where the antichrist and his one world government mark people with microchips or barcodes during a seven year tribulation.

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  Wait - so if the Thousand Year Reign of Christ began in 70 AD but isn't a literal number and has been ongoing ever since, does that mean Satan is still in the Abyss? So when is his release date?

  And does this mean Satan had no influence on Hitler?
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  Friday's Daily Text - Denial of the Free Gift

  by Badfish in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  friday, may 3. abraham put faith in jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness, and he came to be called jehovahs friend.jas.

  2:23.. abraham came to be jehovahs friendand that before the ransom sacrifice was offered.

  (isa.

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  Friday, May 3

  “Abraham put faith in Jehovah, and it was counted to him as righteousness,” and he came to be called “Jehovah’s friend.”—Jas. 2:23.

  Abraham came to be “Jehovah’s friend”—and that before the ransom sacrifice was offered. (Isa. 41:8) What, then, about true Christians who hope to live in the restored earthly Paradise? These have not received “the free gift of righteousness” with heavenly life in view “through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.” (Rom. 3:24; 5:15, 17) Nevertheless, they exercise deep faith in God and his provisions, and they manifest their faith by good works. One such work is that of “preaching the kingdom of God . . . and teaching the things concerning the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Acts 28:31) Thus, Jehovah can view these as righteous in the sense that he did Abraham. The gift such ones receive—friendship with God—differs from “the free gift” the anointed receive. Yet, it certainly is a gift that they accept with deep gratitude. w116/15 2:19, 20

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  Friday's daily text is a reminder to Witnesses that they can only be saved by works, because "the free gift" does not apply to them.

  The text cites Romans 3:24:

  "and it is as a free gift + that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness + through the release by the ransom + [paid] by Christ * Jesus."

  But if you back two verses and actually read it in context:

  21 But now apart from law God’s righteousness + has been made manifest, as it is borne witness + to by the Law + and the Prophets; + 22 yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus* Christ,+ for all those having faith.+ For there is no distinction.+ 23 For all have sinned+ and fall short of the glory of God,+ 24 and it is as a free gift + that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness + through the release by the ransom + [paid] by Christ * Jesus. 25 God set him forth as an offering for propitiation*+ through faith in his blood.+ This was in order to exhibit his own righteousness, because he was forgiving the sins+ that occurred in the past while God was exercising forbearance;+ 26 so as to exhibit his own righteousness+ in this present season, that he might be righteous even when declaring righteous+ the man that has faith in Jesus.

  27 Where, then, is the boasting?+ It is shut out. Through what law?+ That of works?+ No indeed, but through the law of faith.+ 28 For we reckon that a man is declared righteous* by faith apart from works of law.+ 29 Or is he the God of the Jews only?+ Is he not also of people of the nations?+ Yes, of people of the nations also,+ 30 if truly God is one,+ who will declare circumcised+ people righteous as a result of faith and uncircumcised+ people righteous by means of their faith. 31 Do we, then, abolish law by means of our faith?+ Never may that happen! On the contrary, we establish law.+

  Friday's text is an excellent example of twisting the scriptures and shows a major distinction between JW's and the majority of Christians. They are openly denying the "free gift" from Jesus Christ.
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  Share the Craziest far out ideas/arguments you have heard about life in the "NEW SYSTEM"

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  really the whole thing is ludicrious but it is hilarious and sad at the same time to see grown people arguing about weather there will be cars, planes, eat meat, what about fish, etc in a place as imaginary as oz, yet to them it is reality.. the teaching of a paradise earth was so illogical it really was the first thing that started me on the path to waking up.

  just the thought that someone could greet their beloved spouse who had died only to come to the realization that they could never be together again struck me as so cruel, i didnt want to live there even if it was all true.. i have heard jws say they think we might be able to fly, read minds since we will be able to use 100% and some seem to think life would be an endless vacation, with modern conveniences with no thought to all the processes and work that goes into something simple like a pencil.

  i love the article jwfacts has on the flaws of any theory or teaching of paradise earth.. what are some things you have heard discussed/argued in car groups, gatherings etc when you were in?.

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  Badfish

  I was in a car group when a younger brother said he can't wait until he no longer has to shave in the New System. An elder who was sitting in the car corrected him and reminded him that there are no beards in any of the pictures of the New System in the publications, meaning we we always have to shave.
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  For those who still believe that Christianity is the only truth

  by sosoconfused in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please help me to understand how you address this.. from the creation of adam to the birth of noah was about 900 to 1000 years.

  during this period literally only a handful of people worshipped the true god.

  then came the flood - at which point there were only 8 faithful people the world over.. .

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  Badfish

  The thinking hurts sooo much... a friend of mine who is of Korean descent asked me why I would possibly believe that in just 5 or 6 thousand years one guys family could produce 7 billion people so fast? I was like man... anything is possible with GOD. But when you try to do the Math and realize its kind of hard to fathom what that must have been like it really brings you back to reality

  Here's a population calculator: http://www.metamorphosisalpha.com/ias/population.php

  (check the Show Subtotals box and it shows you the population for each year also)

  If you start with a population of two people and set it at 6000 years with a growth rate of 0.012, it says the population will be:

  Population in 6000 = 2,392,899,758,362,400,000,000,000,000,000

  lol
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  Hello

  by Seraphim23 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  not sure if this is the place to say hello and im new but hello and im new here.

  i was a jw years ago but not for many years now.

  i joined here because i was kicked off the last jw related board i was on.

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  Welcome
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  You Can Doubt The Bible, But Don't You Dare Doubt The bOrg

  by Comatose in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  it's interesting how with believing friends and family you can openly doubt the bible.

  you can doubt the flood and talk about it.

  you can doubt the old testament.

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  Badfish

  Really? When I was in, I didn't know anybody who would dare question the bible either.

  You can bring up questions like, "I don't get it, how could Noah have fit all the animals on the ark?"

  Or "The sun standing still for Joshua doesn't make sense. What, did the earth stop turning for a whole day?"

  You can ask questions like this without being suspected of apostasy, but if you bring up any doubts or questions about the governing body being God's one true channel on earth, you will raise red flags and be a target of suspicion for apostasy.
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  Why do JWs get married at a young age?

  by XPeterX in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ages like 20-25 or younger.i mean damn,a 21 year old guy in my congo got baptised a couple weeks back and now his in a relationship with a jw gal and their getting married soon.any thoughts?.

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  Badfish

  Because they wanna get laid.