This is my observation I am getting from what I am reading it could be the punishment from God Yahweh that many of those who left the Jehovahs Witness organization act like they are living in a fantasy land .
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by truthseeker inword has got our that mr. and mrs. truthseeker no longer attend meetings.. we still live in the territory of our old congregation.
instead of taking the time to call us and see how we're doing, the "friends" prefer to talk about us behind our backs, one of whom passed information to my wife's mother (who is a loyal witness) that we do not attend meetings.. just waiting for the ball to drop.. .
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"They no longer attend meetings"
by truthseeker inword has got our that mr. and mrs. truthseeker no longer attend meetings.. we still live in the territory of our old congregation.
instead of taking the time to call us and see how we're doing, the "friends" prefer to talk about us behind our backs, one of whom passed information to my wife's mother (who is a loyal witness) that we do not attend meetings.. just waiting for the ball to drop.. .
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To be better immersed in the endtime predictions go to my Jehovah's Witness Online forum to its subforum :
: " Conspiracy , End of Times Predictions , Jesus 2.0 " and learn much more .Harold Camping rejects all churches and tells people who want to be saved to leave their churches behind while I am making one exception to Jehovah's Witness organization .My calculations point to making such an exception.
Me and Harold Camping predict the year 2011 AD as the end of the world but we speak about two different ends of the world .
I am speaking the evil oppressive world order will be terminated by God Yahweh while Harold Camping speaks about a total destruction of the universe on October ,21,2011 AD.
I heard him saying today on his Open Forum program he is absolutely sure as to the date 2011 AD.100% sure the end of the world will take place.
On May ,21 , 2011 AD the saved will be raptured into heaven and all others left will suffer a hell on earth for the period up to 153 days .
May ,21 - October ,21 ,2011 AD .. 153 days .
Get his booklet for free " We Are Almost There " by calling 1-800-543-1495 .
Also get " The End of the Church Age and After ".You will never win your argument with empty words instead of using the Bible !
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"They no longer attend meetings"
by truthseeker inword has got our that mr. and mrs. truthseeker no longer attend meetings.. we still live in the territory of our old congregation.
instead of taking the time to call us and see how we're doing, the "friends" prefer to talk about us behind our backs, one of whom passed information to my wife's mother (who is a loyal witness) that we do not attend meetings.. just waiting for the ball to drop.. .
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The arrangement is that most churches are unaccaptable to God Yahweh .Harold Camping of the Family Radio Inc. who also predicts like me the end of the world ( understood differently ) in 2011 AD claims people must leave their churches to be saved nowadays .While I am making an exception to Jehovah's Witnesses.Check Jehovah's Witness Online forum with subforum on Conspiracy Theory and End of Times Predictions , Jesus 2.0 .
If you are a Jehovah's Witness I think you should stay in though I am an independent christian with much different views .I am siding nevertheless with Jehovah's Witnesses . I am using Luke 9.49-50 to claim my independent status .I don't belong to any church organization on earth and all exept of Jehovahs Witness organization will be terminated in 2011 AD if my prediction comes true .
Read my latest post on alt.bible ( google group ) how I am sure the end will come in 2011 AD .
And also how some dates and calculations point to the year 2011 AD very clearly .You should read some of my other posts to learn more on the end timetable .
Any Bible must have at least 66 same books .
1879 AD + 66 years for God's Word the Bible + 66 years again = 2011 AD.
The date 1879 AD is related to the original publication of the Watchtower magazine of the International Bible Students.It was somewhat a different title ,yet it was the beginning of the Watchtower magazine.
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Jehovah's Witnessees and the Truth vs the Lie
by AllTimeJeff inthere are several places on the internet where the hypocrisy of jehovah's witnesses is on full display.
what i am about to write is not new, but it is on my mind, so i thought i would write about it.
(disclaimer, i am an agnostic writing this, using the bible against jw lies.
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It seems to me you are blind to many things the Watchtower had accomplished and you use any means to discredit them.
Just look into their publications what they write on the Bible and how they try to interpret it .
Go to Jehovah's Witness Online to subforum on endtime predictions and read my posts and stand amazed how the Watchtower got the right dates :
1728 BC , 1037 BC , 1034 BC ,1027 BC ,607 BC .
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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number
by Olin Moyles Ghost ini recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.
thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.
so, when rev.
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If you read my posts I have some good reasons to do so .
I have a prediction for 2011 AD and the period of 120 years must be recorded prior to the time when Jesus returns .
1879 AD + 120 years = 1999 AD was a good prediction .The date 1879 AD is related to the Watchtower . Then they have 1884 AD.
1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD- it was a good prediction that is Biblically founded .
Then they have 1914 AD .
1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD - a good prediction .
But it came out that there is still one more important date 1891 AD that is related to some degree to Jehovah's Witnesses as they use the date 2 BC and in 11 AD Jesus was 12-years old when began teaching in the Temple - Luke 2.42 .
He was actually 17-years old but looked like a 12-year old since the date 7 BC is used by me in calculations and it was the actual date of the birth of Jesus.
11 AD + 2000 years = 2011 AD.
1879 AD + 12 years = 1891 AD. 1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD.
The spiritual ark of salvation has to be built for 120 years . I was not living back then; so there must be the people of the new true christian religion who began building the ark .
The International Bible Students nicely fit the requirement .Then Jehovah's Witnesses with the name Watchtower that binds the two .
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The future of the Watchtower
by Exterminator inwhat are your thoughts on the watchtower's future?.
here's my guess: they will move away from the increasingly embarrassing dates of 1914 and 1919, rather stressing the "success" of their organization as credentials.
there will be even more emphasis on the concept of god's organization.. the result will be total sclerosis, for god's organization cannot err nor be reformed by men.
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It is easy to learn it is so , should you only compare some latest predictions made with the one for 2011 AD.
Go to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and study my posts and my predictions. You should read also how Harold Camping came to the same date 2011 AD by going to http://www.familyradio.com
He is the best Bible preacher on radio decisively . If you don't agree quote me another preacher from radio and tell me in which he is surpassing Camping.
Note that I consider Harold Camping as my best opponent . And I am listening to his Open Forum programs very often . Right now I have his Open Forum running from audio cassette while I am writing this posts.
Get his publication : " We Are Almost There " by calling 1-800-543-1495 .
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The future of the Watchtower
by Exterminator inwhat are your thoughts on the watchtower's future?.
here's my guess: they will move away from the increasingly embarrassing dates of 1914 and 1919, rather stressing the "success" of their organization as credentials.
there will be even more emphasis on the concept of god's organization.. the result will be total sclerosis, for god's organization cannot err nor be reformed by men.
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Not all christian churches do so ! Satan is seated in most churches as God . And that is one of the signs of the endtime.
Go to http://www.familyradio.com and try to locate how you can listen to Open Forum by Harold Camping .
If you read my posts I am making an exception proving with the end timetable Jehovah's Witnesses are and their predecessors the International Bible Students were the only religious organizations approved of God of the Bible.
Read Matthew 7.22-23 : " Many will say to me in that day,Lord,Lord,have we not prophesied in thy name ? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works ?
.. And I will profess unto them ,I never knew you : depart from me ,ye that work iniquity . "
Who are these people ,then, who worked miracles and yet will be rejected ?!
Jehovah's Witnesses are the best religious organization approved of God of the Bible . They are qualified to proclaim the Good News to the whole world.
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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number
by Olin Moyles Ghost ini recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.
thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.
so, when rev.
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Oh, come on ! The prediction is now for 2011 AD should you only read my posts on alt.bible ( google group ) or Jehovah's Witness Online forum with its subforum : Conspiracy Theory,End of Times Predictions,Jesus 2.0 .
They have some around 10 000 people left from that number and the list is closed with the year 1999 AD at the latest.
And deduct women who claim to be from the 144000.It is erroneous as woman cannot rule over man according to the Bible- 1 Corinthians 11.3 .
It would be the best if the number is 7000 left to the very end if the end of the world happens in 2011 AD.
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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number
by Olin Moyles Ghost ini recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.
thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.
so, when rev.
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And again we don't dwell too much how this number was understood in the far past but how it is understood nowadays !
If we do live in the vey endtime era that can mean a new light is given or allowed by God Yahweh to better understand the Bible .
And be not surprised that what the Watchtower was teaching about in the past has flaws ! But at that time the Watchtower could have been the best in understanding the Bible . I see many flaws the Watchtower has in its teachings and but worse flaws I see in other christian religions .If so ,this still puts the Jehovah's Witnesses at the top of all organized religions !If one organization can only be true so it must be Jehovah's Witnesses or neither !
144000 are all men - disciples of Jesus who were the greatest and come from the period of 216 years .They will be living on our earth and ruling on our planet earth forever .Not a single woman is in this number .
God's name "99" and 2772 as 72 + 72 which is 144 .To know why check Jehovah's Witness Online forum with its subforum : Conspiracy Theory ,End of Times Predictions ,Jesus 2.0 .
9+9 = 18 = 6+6+6 = 6x6x6=216 . There are two periods to consider in two variations with each having 108 years.
108 x 2 = 216 .
3 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 106 AD or 11 AD - 29 AD -33 AD - 36 AD - 119 AD.
1883 AD -1914 AD -1984 AD-1988 AD-1991 AD or 1891 AD - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD - 1999 AD.
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JWs: 144,000 in Revelation is not ALWAYS a literal number
by Olin Moyles Ghost ini recently realized something interesting about jw theology and thought i'd share it with the rest of the class: as most of us know, a distictive facet of watchtower/jw theology is the concept that the 144,000 in revelation chapters 7 and 14 is a literal number.
thus, the witnesses believe that exactly 144,000 humans will be resurrected to heaven to rule with jesus christ, while the rest of the witnesses will populate a restored paradise earth.. they also teach that the 24 elders in revelation represent the 144,000 kings and priests in heaven.
so, when rev.
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You have touched on the very interesting mind-boggling topic . Your solution is doubtful and there are better explanations to that .Note that the Watchtower may seem to be very smart at explaining some views and your explanation is seems to be worse .
You read about Melchizedek in the Bible ? Read Hebrews 7.
He was an anthropomorphic being ! Check a dictionary on that .He was not a real human being though he looked like he was .
To reconcile the best way these 24 elders from Revelation 5.8-10 with Revelation 14.1-5 and considering various other aspects who 144000 people might be is to see these elders as 24 anthropomorphic beings representing future 144000 servants of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ.
The order is GOD YAHWEH - God Jesus Christ - 144000 menservants ( men ) as the one world government .
144000 are the best greatest disciples of Jesus .
You should check my post history here how I view 144000 servants . But what is more important don't dwell to much on the past how the Bible was understood long time ago it is now important as never to learn how the Bible is understood nowadays as I am proving from my posts we must be living in the very endtime as Daniel 12.4,9 is clearly being fulfilled right before our eyes.
Go to alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( a google group ) or Jehovah's Witness Online forum and find a subforum
"Conspiracy Theory,End of Times Predictions , Jesus 2.0 " and learn how we can know we live in the endtime era by studying my posts .On google when you find my post - by OBVES - click on "more options " and then on " find messages by this author " .God's name hides 2772 .... ( you can find out how I came to that ) .When looking from the Center of God's Throne we can see: 72 and 72 . 72+72 = 144.
24 will look like 42 and 24 . 24 + 42 = 66 .This number 66 represents God's Word - the Bible as it should have 66 books .
Jesus is God's Word and his bride 144000 servants as his body are can also be identified as God's Word .
24x72 = 1728 . There is a date 1728 BC which identifies with Jacob - Israel . Also note my dates : 106 AD ,150 AD and 1878 AD.
150 AD - when true christianity ended + 1728 years = 1878 AD - the dawn for the revival of the true christianity by the International Bible Students.
96 AD - The Book of Revelation given + 10 years for "10 days " as per Revelation 2.10 = 106 AD.
106 AD + 1772 years , as taken from 2772 years - 1000 years, = 1878 AD.
1728 years + 1772 years = 3500 years which is "3.5 times "; each day as 1000 years.
Note : 1513 BC - Israel freed by God Yahweh + 3500 years = 1988 AD ; which is in the middle of the period 1984 AD - 1991 AD.
29 AD - Jesus began his 3.5-year mission - 33 AD - Jesus died on the Cross - 36 AD = 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD.