Posts by dropoffyourkeylee

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Lillian Gobitas Klose, the Jehovahs Witness who refused in 1935 to salute the American flag in Minersville, Pa. started a trail that ultimately changed American legal history died Aug. 22 at age 90

by Sol Reform in

lillian gobitas klose, the jehovahs witness who refused in 1935 to salute the american flag in minersville, pa. started a trail that ultimately changed american legal history died aug. 22 at age 90. only three years after it had ruled against the gobitas family, the supreme court voted 6-3 to overturn that decision in a case involving a family of jehovahs witnesses from west virginia.. regardless of what one might think of jehovahs witnesses, lillian gobitas is an example of a person whose willingness to fight for her beliefs has expanded everyones personal freedoms.. http://republicanherald.com/news/minersville-girl-made-legal-history-1.1744279.

lillian gobitas klose, 90; test of faith went to u.s. supreme courtlillian gobitas klose sign the guest book.

atlanta news obituarieslillian gobitas klose, 90; test of faith went to u.s. supreme courtby elizabeth montgomery the atlanta journal-constitution.

dropoffyourkeylee

Today (one day after the original post) on of the top stories on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/crime/2014/09/03/pkg-florida-pledge-of-allegiance-protest.cnn.html

has a Florida city council meeting that begins with the Pledge. One of the observers refuses to stand and is expelled. The commentary accompanying the clip mentions a 1943 court case without mentioning the JWs specifically. I wonder if the 'protester' did so because of the death of Mrs Klose, or if it was simply a coincidence. Actually, I believe the Gobitas case was the one they lost in the late thirties, and the one they won was the Barnette case in '43.

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Come on! Tell it like it is. People are LYING when they tell you, "I've read the Bible."

by Terry in

go ahead.

tell me.. "i've read the bible cover to cover.

i don't believe you.. it is damned near impossible!.

dropoffyourkeylee

In my youth I was a believer and I did read the NWT all the way through. It was very difficult to get through. Then, as a young adult, as I distanced myself from the WT, I read the Bible a lot, as well as other books. I read the Old Testament a couple of times (I found both the Living Bible and the Good News Bible to be good choices for the OT) and I read the New Testament many times, I'd say around 6 or 7 times, using different translations. I particularly liked J. B. Phillip's and the Revised English Bible for the New Testament.

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Brett King (Jehovah's Witness) Releases Video of why he removed his ill son, Ashya, from a UK hospital

by jwleaks in

jw
friends

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14etqn9zpwk .

jw leaks.

dropoffyourkeylee

this is a top story for CNN right now. 8/31/2014

http://www.cnn.com/?hpt=sitenav

I don't see a JW connection from the video. No blood issue or other JW issue is evident from the video

, but similar issues have been faced by JWs before over the blood issue. It isn't clear to me that he is a JW, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I knew a family in the 70's in the midwest USA who removed their son from the hospital for blood-issue reasons, and were faced with similar criticism. Not supporting it, but I do believe the 'authorities' are sometimes misguided. ( He is still living and is doing OK, after over 35 years, if that means anything).

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Why was Gilead originally made into a Bombshelter!!!!

by Witness 007 in

rutherford's book "enemies" 1937: "will great britain and america become fascist under catholic control?

the scriptures and the facts support that conclusion.

" where do you hide the bethel family from fascist catholics?.

dropoffyourkeylee

Rutherford seemed bent on bringing persecution down on the Witnesses, and some of his moves were stated to be made to prepare for the supposed persecution which he believed would come. One was the building of their own printing factory. Previously they had hired outside printers, and he wanted the ability to print his own without relying on outside firms. Another was the building of a bomb-shelter in San Diego (Beth Shan). A third was the building of the South Lansing facility, which cannot be described as a bomb shelter, but was definitely out of the way and could be viewed as a 'retreat' for the Bethel family of the time. We drove by the site this summer and snapped a couple of photos. The building has been sold some time ago (to the State of NY, if I remember correctly). You can still read 'Gilead' in the bricks over the main entrance. The area is really beautiful, just about a mile or so off the east side of Cayuga Lake, one of the Finger Lakes of upstate NY. An awesome place to visit and to vacation! Directly across the road is another farm called 'Kingdom' Farm which I believe the WT still owns and operates. There is one residence building and a few large barns. It doesn't appear to be a very large operation; there couldn't be more than 15-20 people living there.

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In what KM or literature were JW's told to not put the WT logo on podium or buildings?

by Wasanelder Once in

in the 80's it became a trend to put the wt logo on the front of the speakers podium where others put a cross.

i always hated that and spoke against it to the body of elders.

i shut up and it was put there anyway untill a km came down that said not to do it.

dropoffyourkeylee

Another angle is that if a KH has Watchtower-style bricks built into the facade, it detracts from re-sale value

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Where did Russell steal 606/7 BCE from ?

by Phizzy in

this is something i have wondered about, and our great poster stillin posed the question on another thread .

russell get the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 606/7 bce?

(he adjusted 606 to 607 when it was pointed out there was no year "0").. as in the main a plagiarist, rather than an original thinker, i guess he got it from someone else ?.

dropoffyourkeylee

I've seen the 606 BC date in other pre-1900 non-Russell literature. It was commonly accepted chronology at that time. It didn't originate with Russell, but at that time is was not an unusual belief. I seem to remember it appeared in an old copy of Scofield's reference Bible I used to have.

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Read rare, historic letters about the draft from WT attorney, Hayden Covington, written to a young JW man.

by AndersonsInfo in

for those who are interested in this subject, especially researchers and historians, i posted on my website extremely rare material dealing with one man's struggle to avoid being drafted into the us military for religious reasons.. this is a huge downloadable collection of correspondence between richard rawe, his draft board and government officials after he was ordered to report for military duty.

richard saved every letter and even the envelopes from the time he was called up for military duty when he was 18 in 1952 until 1960 when he was 26 and too old to be drafted.. what makes this collection unique and special is that there are many, many important private letters from watchtower attorney, hayden covington to richard containing instructions and advice.

this is historical material that allows us to peer into the legal mind of covington with regards to the draft situation during that time period.

dropoffyourkeylee

Fascinating. One striking thing that is surprising is the sheer amount of time that Covington's office spent on this individual case, answering specific questions for a single individual. If they did that for each and every one of the draft-age men it would have been a fulltime job for many people. Things are different now.

Another thing that is interesting is how often the individual is instructed to maintain his records of how much time he spends in 'ministry' to his 'congregation of laymen' (not the local congregation, but rather the people in the community who are visited), with specific recording of their names, the times they are visited, and almost all the details of the calls. I have always wondered if the initial purpose of the time records of the WT and the door-to-door records was exactly for this, to provide documentation in court for the draft board requirements, and that the use of the time records for JW control came in later.

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New Bethel Facility - Fort Lauderdale Remote Translation Office (RTO)

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

hey all, it's been a long time since i've posted anything here.

this may be of interest to some people, or not.

and i'm not sure if this has been announced in the congregations, even, because thankfully i have not attended any meetings in quite some time.

dropoffyourkeylee

Do we know for sure that this story about Ft Lauderdale isn't perhaps the same place as the Palm Coast purchase recently which is a bit north of Ft. Lauderdale? You know how rumours spread, and facts get distorted. We know the Palm Coast story is true from news reports, but so far nothing that I have seen about Ft. Lauderdale.

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Is the Watchtower Intentionally Trying to Force People to Leave the Organization?

by kneehighmiah in

jw
friends

the leaks from the new november watchtower are alarming.

they will disturb even longtime jws who haven't surrendered all rational thought.

it's become so cult like its scary.

dropoffyourkeylee

The WT writers (or whoever it is that decides what the subject matter will be) are always reactionary. So what this article tells me is that there a lot of JWs who associate with their DFd children and relatives, go to weddings etc at other churches, take blood, donate blood, don't hold a family study night, etc. The articles are written because the writers perceive there being a problem. A lot of people deep down simply don't agree with the WT.

But the tone of the 11/14 WT comes across as harsh, at least to me. An interested thinking person who is exploring jw.org for the first time who may read the Nov 14 WT would no doubt be disillusioned quickly.

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Read rare, historic letters about the draft from WT attorney, Hayden Covington, written to a young JW man.

by AndersonsInfo in

for those who are interested in this subject, especially researchers and historians, i posted on my website extremely rare material dealing with one man's struggle to avoid being drafted into the us military for religious reasons.. this is a huge downloadable collection of correspondence between richard rawe, his draft board and government officials after he was ordered to report for military duty.

richard saved every letter and even the envelopes from the time he was called up for military duty when he was 18 in 1952 until 1960 when he was 26 and too old to be drafted.. what makes this collection unique and special is that there are many, many important private letters from watchtower attorney, hayden covington to richard containing instructions and advice.

this is historical material that allows us to peer into the legal mind of covington with regards to the draft situation during that time period.

dropoffyourkeylee

Excellent, I will definitely read all of these