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  Anti-Apostate blog has fascinating articles, photos and opinions!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the governing body of jehovah's witnesses has decided (oct., 2000) that the positions of president, vice president, secretary-treasurer, etc.

  in the legal corporations (e.g., watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.,) do not have to be filled by anointed brothers.

  therefore, all of the brothers that were currently holding these positions, all of whom were on the governing body, have resigned.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Surely someone on the site has lived in or lives in Mexico and can give a first hand report. There must be thousands of the brothers in Mexico who have faced the military issue there. Can we hear from some of them? Or, maybe there is a Spanish equivalent to this board that someone with Spanish skills can search.
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  A little example of how severely the contributions for the Society are drying up

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just a little tidbit from the congregation i attend..... the congregation has approximately 120 publishers.. well over 1000 magazines per month are picked up, not to mention all the books, brochures, and tracts that are picked up.. there was a "local needs" part on the service meeting recently, asking for more contributions.. it seems our congregation has averaged just about $300 per month contributions to the "worldwide work" over the past year.. .

  assuming 1500 magazines / month, that's just 20 cents per magazine - and that completely ignores all other literature that is picked up.. the last price the magazines had, 20+ years ago, was 25 cents per issue.

  with inflation that would have been about 50 cents each now.. just another sign of how severely the contriutions to the society are drying up..... .

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  How long before the design of KH's and Assy. Halls is modified so that they are even easier to sell ?

  I believe they are already doing this and have been for some time. For Instance, new Kingdom Hall locations are nearly always in prime locations (within sight of major highways), KH designs can no longer have the popular 'watchtower' shaped brickwork you used to see (existing Kingdom Halls are instructed to remove the brickwork at the next remodel), Halls with resale value are selected for renovation while others with less value (in out-of-the way neighborhoods) are allowed to deteriorate. In the 70s thru 90s, Halls were often built without windows, recent renovation of those halls have added windows.

  All of these things to me indicate preparations for resale. The same holds true for Assembly Halls. Newly built ones are of a special design which would be easy to market.
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  Anti-Apostate blog has fascinating articles, photos and opinions!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the governing body of jehovah's witnesses has decided (oct., 2000) that the positions of president, vice president, secretary-treasurer, etc.

  in the legal corporations (e.g., watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.,) do not have to be filled by anointed brothers.

  therefore, all of the brothers that were currently holding these positions, all of whom were on the governing body, have resigned.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Look at the bright side. The person who put this site together is intelligent and studious. He has no future in Watchtower leadership!! YooHoo!
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  Very tiny change to Service Meeting Announcements protocol.

  by Open mind in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for those who want to keep up with the "pure language", i found out this week that at the most recent elder's school, they were told that the announcements should no longer include the following:.

  1. name of public talk and speaker for sunday.

  2. synopsis of all the parts that are coming up on the rest of the service meeting.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Is the WT prohibition of "bulletin board" based on the related Papal Bull?

  I was told years ago that the word bulletin was related to the Papal Bull, and 'We are not in the Catholic Church, brothers!', so the word bulletin was out. Of course, silly, but that was the reason given that we did not call it a bulletin board. This, despite that fact, as Blondie noted, the early predecessor of the Kingdom Ministry was called the Bulletin.
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  Credit Donation Machines in Assembly Halls

  by leonbus23 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just received an email from the ex-jw meetup group coordinator in phoenix.

  she stated that the jws are putting credit donation machines at the assembly halls.

  is this true?

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  So I was at an assembly recently and had to try it out. My understanding is that the fee for a credit card purchase that goes to the credit card company is about $5, so if I donate $5, doesn't the majority go to the company and almost zero to the WT?

  They accept either debit or credit, and they didn't say anything about a minimum donation. I got a laugh when the receipt said 'JWAH' as the vendor.

  They are making a joke out of Christianity
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  Why did/does there appear to be an unusually high number of "Germanic" names in the Governoring Body compared to others?

  by StoneWall in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today as i was researching past and present members of the governoring body of j.w.

  's something stood out to me that seemed out of proportion towards other name origins.. the vast majority appeared to be from the germanic peoples.

  either they were originally from germany themself or their parents immigrated from germany.. here are some of the ones i researched and you should be able to spot just from their names a hint of their origins:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I agree with Blondie.

  It is a natural tendency to look for (and find) patterns and conspiracies where there aren't any.

  The early Watchtower membership ( and 'anointed' leadership) was mostly from the U.S. Furthermore, they came from, nearly always, from areas of the US which were predominantly Protestant (remember all that anti_Catholic rhetoric?), which meant that they were often of either British (England or Scotland) and German heritage. So the common German-sounding names is merely an indication of the early 20th century population of the US who were likely to be attracted to the Watchtower message.
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  Journal of Philosophical Psychology cites JWs as an example of a self-validating belief system

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a recent article in the journal of philosophical psychology titled: 'how convenient!

  the epistemic rationale of self-validating belief systems' by maarten boudry says that one of the defense mechanisms of self-validating belief systems is "multiple endpoints and moving targets" and cites jws to illustrate the point.

  here are the sections that discuss jws:.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Thanks Slimboy for finding this info and posting it.

  I was interested to see that one of the sources was by Melton. I can add that the first book which set me on the road out was "The Encyclopedia of American Religions, Vol II, by J. Gordon Melton, editor. It's coverage of Adventism and the Russell-JW religion and offshoots were an eye opener.
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  London Ohio and Indianapolis Assemby Halls to be sold

  by munchausen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  announce was made this week that the assembly halls in london, ohio and indianapolis indiana will be sold and a new 3000 seat assembly hall will be built in southwest ohio.

  the assembly hall in london ohio was built in the 70's and is in fine shape - nothing wrong with it.

  the new one will cost around 8-9 million.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Update abt 5 months after announcing that the London Ohio and Indianapolis, Indiana Assembly Halls will be sold and a new one to be built in the Cincinnati Ohio area, called the 'Southwest Ohio assembly hall' or something like that:

  Indianapolis IndianaAssembly Hall is still for sale...

  London Ohio Assembly Hall is not for sale yet; they keep doing necessary work on it, like putting in credit card machines for donations.

  Congregations to be served by the new facility passed out a survey for the people to write down how much they could contribute to the new project. A special collection box was put in each of the congregations for the Southwest Ohio Assembly hall. In one local kingdom hall in Ohio, they have ceased showing on the accounts report how much is being contributed in the new box (it was about $1000-$1200 each month before they stopped reporting the collections for the assembly hall) The information from 5 months ago was that the project would cost $8 million and there would be about 300 congregations served.

  So far the land for the new assembly hall has not been purchased, nor is there any definite purchase in sight...

  The 'committee' assigned to find and purchase the land has some unusual members. Get this: at least one of the committee members is a 20-something who has no education beyond high school, has only worked part time to support her pioneering, with not a shred of experience in either real estate or finance.

  It makes you wonder how serious they are in building the new assembly hall, or if it was just a way to ramp up donations.
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  YouTubes Here ! by John Lennon - ( With Beatles or After Beatles ) Love .....

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....... is the answer , and you know that for sure.

  rest in peace john ( b.

  10/9/40 d. 12/08/80 ) age 40. .

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  I posted this a little while back but got little response. I know Lennon was born in '40 and would have been 12-13 in '53, I was intrigued by the idea that the Watchtower quoted a boy named John Lennon. Here is my previous post:

  The Watchtower of 3/1/1953, p. 151 carried this short blurb:

  Heard of Bible or

  Never

  God

  Ten-year-old John Lennon was called to the witness stand [in Middlesbrough, England] to give evidence in an auto case. When the boy placed his hand on the Bible to take an oath that he would testify only the truth, the judge asked him if he knew what book he was swearing on. “No,” John answered. “Have you ever heard of the Bible?” “No.” “Have you ever heard of God?” “No.” The judge heard the evidence without the oath.—U. P. report in Chicago Sun-Times, May 23.

  What's the chance this was the real John Lennon?

  Anyone ever heard of this?

  Given the WT history of misquoting sources, the time discrepancy doesn't bother me. It sounds like something he would have said.
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  Why Some Suffer Spiritual Shipwreck

  by mankkeli in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this was taken from the 1999 wt, 7/15.. .

  when paul warned of experiencing shipwreck, he had in mind some who had thrust aside their good conscience and had lost their faith.

  (1 timothy 1:19) among them were hymenaeus and alexander who fell into apostasy, deviating from the truth and speaking abusively.

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  dropoffyourkeylee

  Well I learned something today. The really good cults have a cruise ship! Scientologists have had one for years, one lady claims she was trapped on it for twelve years. Why doesn't the WT Society get one too? That's what they really need to keep people from getting shipwrecked