Posts by NewYork44M

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"The organisation is imperfect, but it doesn't affect my relationship with Jehovah"

by Alive! in

i've noted active, devoted jw's state the above.. and, it's not a problem for me to remain trusting of god, i just don't trust religions or men.. recently, a member of this forum stated that he remains an active jw, in the family of god's people, wanting to encourage and do good - whilst recognising that the pastoral leaders (the gb) have shipwrecked the faith of many, being unsound scripturally etc, etc.. stop and think about this - the bible says to not follow after those who lie and hurt the faith of "little ones".. the pharisees were accused of traversing over lands and expending much energy to make a single convert - only for that convert to end up worse of than he started off with.. it's one thing to not believe this is the 'truth' and feeling the awful pressure of managing ones life, trying not to lose ones family.. it's quite another thing to declare oneself to be a christian believer of god's jw household, and somehow believe the god of love would use corrupt liars to parade as jesus' brothers in the urgency of last days.

really?

and, to then visibly promote faith in corrupt men, and try to bring converts into a place where the rulership is wrong.. some of us are dying from hurt here.......give me a break..

NewYork44M

There is no way that I will ever read all these posts. The topic seems to have generated a lot of activity.

Here is my take on the issue of maintaining a "relationship with Jehovah."

I tried - I really did try. But what I found is that the relationship was one sided. If I exerted effort or if I did not exert any effort the response from Jehovah was the same. I got nothing in return for my effort or lack of effort.

I used to pray regularly. I decided not to pray after a point of non-response from my repeated prayers. What I got from the other side of the relationship no matter what I did was the same - NOTHING.

No longer am I interested in a one-sided relationship. So, if you think you have a relationship well then, god bless you. But I think that under a reasonable level of objectivity that you have a relationship, you are probably deluding yourself.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

NewYork44M

I learned TTATT in the mid 1990s, and it took me another 10 years to exit. I doubt I could do what I did without the internet. I tip my hat to those who left before the massive amount of information available with two or three clicks of a mouse.

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Seems very easy to leave now, why do people hesitate?

by Xanthippe in

when i see people on here saying they've looked on several sites before this one, jwfacts, jwstruggle, youtube, etc., and then they make friends here, sometimes meeting up with ex-jws, it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989. .

no internet, no amazon to find ex-jw books, no facebook to link up with ex-jw groups.

still people find it so hard to leave.

NewYork44M

you stated: "it seems incredibly easy compared to leaving in 1989."

Forget about 1989, think about those that left a decade or more before - there was not much of anything other than what you could find at the public library. My brother left in the mid 70s. He was a island among a torrent of criticism from family and friends. There was nothing then to hang on to.

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Has anyone seen today's JW broadcast this Saturday to the KH's 5/09/2015

by WideAwake7 in

i have faded successfully with family intact now for 3 years ...but my in-laws are still in the borg.

they are so excited to go to this event than visit there patriarch father of 97 years of age in the hospital who is still a jw .... who we take care of 24 /7 at his home.

what is so important about today?

NewYork44M

I am sure they announce that we are closer than ever to the end of this wicked old system. They then advised to hang in there and don't give up - we have a short wait for our eternal reward.

I am be a bit off on the words, but I'll bet they are pretty close.

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Specific Comments By R&F About May Broadcast

by freemindfade in

i know there are many posts discussing the may money requesting televangalism...er... broadcast i mean!

but i wanted to start one where anyone can put what they have heard any non-exjw, non-apostate witnesses say good or bad about the broadcast.

i don't see how it can't rattle followers... but then again i might be surprised how they can twist things (2+2=5).

NewYork44M

Accountability and transparency are two terms that define good corporate governance. There is nothing close to governance in this May presentation. It should make the R&F angry.

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behind the curtain: literature offer for the month

by Magnum in

i was an extremely sincere, zealous pioneer.

i really cared about the people in the field.

i thought their lives were in danger.

NewYork44M

The watchtower was masters at what is known as "stuffing the supply chain." For example every publisher has stacks of un place magazines and books, the congregation has stacks of magazines and the society had an a corresponding stack of unsold. And yet at the same time they would advertise the how much publishing as proof that they were in pursuit of the hearts of the honest hearted truth-seekers.

In reality campaigns were simply to relieve excess inventory. Or at least to shift the inventory to the hands of the publishers.

This is a very inefficient and costly system. It seems they have gotten away from this by focusing on web-based material.

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I have never pushed the dislike button on purpose!!

by brandnew in

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so, if anybody ever got a dislike from me.....it was my fat thumbs trying to scroll down....sorry ; )

NewYork44M

Where is this dislike button you speak of? I would love to use it for so many-many things - I just can't find it?

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July Kingdom Ministry

by CloseTheDoor in

the july 2015 kingdom ministry says jws can't do international outreach through the internet, but to instead, point someone in the direction of jw.org site.. it's just another form of control.

the individual publisher is forced to send the interested one to a website fully controlled by the borg.. .

NewYork44M

Yet again, the society shows their totally ignorance of the internet. aren't "chat rooms" 20 years old. I think they still view the internet with their Prodigy dial up.

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the age of adam when he died, anyone know?

by brandnew in

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and if so, does this mean that adam had already invented a timetable, and calendar?

NewYork44M

I think Adam (West; aka, Batman) is still alive.

Sorry, the concept of humans living nearly a century is kind of silly. Thus, I made a silly reply.

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Is the student more qualified than the teacher?

by John Aquila in

what does the bible really teach page 110....

why does god allow suffering?.

the wt uses the illustration of a math teacher who is challenged by a student that the math problem can be worked out a different way.

NewYork44M

As a professor I am highly offended by the illustration. Teaching is not about showing how much more you know than the student. The teacher should encourage experimentation. The student should work until the he or she gets it right. Eventually the student may figure out something that the teacher never thought of. - That is what education is all about.

If the teacher is confident he or she will be thrilled to have a student figure out a new way of thinking.