a brother in my hall mentioned in a twist of scriptures how we can thank the faithful slave class for warning us in connection with blood transfusions since 1945, because now the medical field recognises the riscs and try to minimize the use of blood.. despite the fatcs, that this statement is ridicolous in so many ways, i d like to find information (outside the "apostate" realm) that proves, that even allowed fractions are involing the risc of getting hepatitis, aids etc.... that would completely refute such a notion.. thx in advance... .
My favorite argument of theirs is "blood transfusions slow down the healing process" from what I understand Death does too. As the poster above states, everything has risk, sometimes the risk is worth it. Jesus himself said, do not be stumbled by what others eat. He asked for mercy, not sacrifice.
Not so long ago myself, I would have died for the blood issue, now I see it for what it is. Human sacrifice, makes for a good article.
this one really freaked me out.
i was so brainwashed at the time i found a way to justify it.
i think i?ve been repressing my anger about this and now i need to vent.
To those posters who feel that the "show must go on" since they do it at football games or other similar situations, the difference with many of these stories, is they are congregational level.
Congregations, of people you meet with and sit with 3 times a week (once upon a time). Congregations of smaller groups that are suppose to be a "loving organization" united in "brotherly love" The JWs love to boast how "loving" they are. For many of these stories, the victim in question was ONE OF THEIR OWN, as JWs we were taught we were a FAMILY in this so called "loving" organization. Football teams, stages shows, etc don't claim to be more loving than everyone else, that is entertainment, not a loving family, can't even compare them.
I can see situations, where, "we didn't know what else to do, so we continued", that by itself is not what many of us find fault with. It is the treatment of those hurt and their families by this so called "loving" organiztion. The only "love" they show, is for the rules, order, and organization. Classic mind control of "principles before people." It breaks my heart.
The only real memory I have of this, and I was young enough to be confused by it, was when a young brother died. He was a new driver, and it was a car accident. I remember him as one of those teenagers that was always nice to the younger kids, and didn't treat us like we were the pain in the neck pipsqueaks we really were. I was broken hearted, for myself, for the congregation, and mostly for his parents.(I was a tender hearted kid) This was my first real personal experience with death, and even now, my eyes are welling up. I remember the funeral well, I was, even as a young child, suprised by the lack of tears. I even controlled my own, since it seemed that tears were a no-no. I heard a lot after that, that tears and grief = lack of faith.
I never quite understood that, even as a kid, how we were not even allowed to miss them, while we waited for the new order. But I was a believer back then, and tried to accept that. Funny how I always thought there was something wrong with me, that I just couldn't understand it all, turns out there was something right with me, that was seeing thru the hypocricy. As stated by many, I am so glad to be free from all of that.
i was wondering from any here in the know, does it seem like there is a lot of "remodels" going on?.
in the last week i had the occasion to talk with two jw's in different halls, about 10 miles apart.
they both are undergoing major remodels.
$20,000 for a toilet (exaggeration), $100,000(pretty close to fact) for a new parking lot, $70,000 for a paint job (pretty close to fact). Take out a loan FROM the society, and pay it back WITH interest. Yeah, but they are an "honest" organization. *faceplant*
It's sad, if they would just get real estimates on these "upgrades" they would see just how much they are being ripped off.
i've had the same elders in my congregation for the last 25 years.
they've added two new elders in the last five years.
none of them have ever moved to another congregation.. i would like to know: if an elder decides to move to another congregation,will they let him give a little ''goodbye'' talk at the service meeting to thank everyone?
Are you kidding? A chance to show actual emotion or appreciation? Fuggetaboutit.
this is my first post here.
i've been a lurker for awhile but had no particular desire to join until the other day.. anyways, do you think that if wt decided to face the fact that 607-1914 is an indefensible pile of crap that has been artificially kept steaming for way too long, would it really kick off a mass exodus or anything?
in the short term the fds/gb might lose some authority, but they are hemorrhaging people anyways keeping it around (607 started me on the road to this place).. if wt stopped talking about 1914 for awhile then later killed it, blaming it on "further research" or something, and acknowledged some uncertainty in 607/587, i really doubt that very many of the r&f would think much about it.
In the late 70s, one Watchtower Jesus was the mediator for all, the next Watchtower He was the mediator for only the 144K. There was a great purge, but many stuck around. 1975 came and went, and many shrugged their shoulders and stuck around. I think if 1914 were dropped, many would stay. Sad to say many are completely brainwashed, some just don't care, and some know they are false, but too afraid to leave. The WT would bleed, but probably not hemorrage to death, unfortunately.
partaking.. background: i have never been a jw.
i have been brought into their world (and the way better ex-jw world) through having a jw stepdaughter and extended family.
i have really come to love my stepdaughter and frankly all this jw stuff pisses me off to no end, as you all might imagine.
Going and partaking has been on my mind a lot as well. I would love to, now that I know the reality of it all, but at the same time, I feel what is the point. I think about it a lot tho.
i know some dissatisified members have planned to "throw caution to the wind" when they exit and break the news as a stunning revelation of lies.
some of my funniest memories were of teachers and others terminated but since they had to finish their contract, they decided to share their insights and horrors.
in normal life, there is a certain allowance made under the circumstances.
I was old enough to know something was happening, but young enough not to catch what exactly was going on. A brother in our congregation, fairly young, early 40s maybe, and his wife, partook at the memorial. You can imagine the stir that caused. There was a lot of whispers that went on over the next few weeks/months, and then he was announced as DF'd from the stage. I remember the whole thing being quite the scandal.
Looking back, knowing what I know now, I think he and his wife were one of those who woke up in the great purge of the '80s. Can't be sure, but it makes the most sense to me now.
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i don't want to spend time checking this claim from a jw, and whether it is true or not is, i think, of no significance to their claim of being the 'one true religion'.
Once you really examine this organization, the way this organization recommends others to examine their "false" religions, it falls apart. There is NO way this is God's organization. There is NO way, they aren't even close. Mind control does not make it truth, it just makes it good programming.
I am a big fan of research this organization, the more you do, the faster the chains let go. I personally have zero doubts, they are nothing but mind control false prophets responsible for the descruction and loss of many lives. I see it as one of the most blood guilty cults around. It makes me sick to think I ever believed, and oh so grateful to be free of it.
i'm not religious but i am a theology student.. why does this cd instruct me to close my antivirus program before running the executable?.
innocent mistake?
i can't remember ever seeing this instruction on a legitimate executable, and i've been using computers for a long, long time..
There is a lot of discussion re: downloading from the "official" watchtower site, and computer viruses. I haven't heard anything concrete, haven't asked hubby (computer guru) to check into it yet, but I wouldn't put it past them. I could totally see them putting some kind of activity tracker in their stuff, however, at this time it is just coincidence and speculation.
