Posts by ScenicViewer

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Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

by mrbunyrabit in

i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

ScenicViewer

Cirkeline said,

"They have to make blood transfutions legal veeery slow and over a long time to prevent too many legal cases."

I believe you are right about that. The Society seems to be in a state of transition over the blood issue. It's already ok to take many blood components that were banned in the past, and in 60 or 70 years the whole blood issue will likely be dead, just like the ban on vaccination. Stemming the flow of lawsuits is probably the reason for taking small, incremental steps forward.

Watchtower has been so clever at controling information that most Witnesses are not aware of the Society's past views on medical issues. These days though, with the proliferation of the internet and electronic media, making information readily available, the organization will have a much tougher time controlling what people know. The Society's ban on blood transfusion will not be forgotten as easily as other issues from the past.

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Exciting experience about Amish couple joining JWs - and the shunning begins!

by Bonnie_Clyde in

my daughter is also on her email list.

i believe my daughter has informed her that i dont go to meetings any more, and i think my friend is trying to encourage me.

however, my daughter has shunned me, my husband and her two brothers for almost five years even though none of us are dfd.

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"He [Allen, the Amish man] was always frustrated by the lack of spiritual food they received mostly it was all about traditions very much like the Jews."

Allen and Mary can't see it yet - but one day they likely will - JWs are more like the Jews with all their traditions than almost any religion on earth. They have gone from the frying pan into the fire. Hopefully they will both see what they've done very soon.

As to the shunning, they will soon find out that JWs are similar to the Amish. Even though Witnesses make this statement in the literature...

(Awake 7-09 p29)
“No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family.”

...Allen and Mary will learn that JWs practice just the opposite.

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Rick Fearon should apologise for accusing faders of being cowards

by cedars in

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i hate doing this type of thread.

none of us are perfect, least of all myself, and i would rather focus any criticism on the watch tower society for damaging people's lives.

however, in the short period since i've been a member of this forum i've noticed one member in particular deteriorate in his behaviour into the type of individual who threatens to undermine the credibility of the entire website.

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That's a good question, Who were you referring to Koolaid-man? Who is the internet radio personality that is jealous of you?

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Rick Fearon should apologise for accusing faders of being cowards

by cedars in

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friends

i hate doing this type of thread.

none of us are perfect, least of all myself, and i would rather focus any criticism on the watch tower society for damaging people's lives.

however, in the short period since i've been a member of this forum i've noticed one member in particular deteriorate in his behaviour into the type of individual who threatens to undermine the credibility of the entire website.

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@ HintOfLime,

That's very, very good. I can see the drama being acted out. Funny!

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Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

by mrbunyrabit in

i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

ScenicViewer

AK MCGRATH said,

...WTBTS powers that be, were looking for loopholes around their own blood issues.

I think you are right about that. One day in the distant future the whole blood issue will likely be gone, like the former bans on vaccination and transplants. It seems the organization is in a state of transition now over blood.

In the future Witnesses will probably be in denial that the blood teachings of the past were actually part of the Watfchtower belief system. Will they write it off to saying something like "Some had misunderstandings in those days, because the Society always said it was a conscience issue?" We shall see.

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What is latest WT quote on donating blood ?

by Phizzy in

i no longer have access to wt lit or cd, as i burned all my bound volumes one day in disgust, and don't have a cd.. so could someone kindly post the latest on donating of blood, not simply that it is forbidden, but the latest where they say why they hold this position.. if i remember rightly, it was based entirely on the o.t injunction about "pouring out" the blood of a slain animal, but i need to be sure before i question jw's on this.. many thanks in advance, if you are able to help..

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finally awake said,

These were the most recent mentions I could find, although none actually spell out *why* it's supposedly wrong.

Perhaps your second reference did touch on the reason why; Questions From Readers, w00 10/15 pp. 30-31, said...

"...such collecting, storing, and transfusing of blood directly contradicts what is said in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. Blood is not to be stored; it is to be poured out—returned to God, as it were."

I think this is what Phizzy suspected would be the reason.

But, to go from draining blood from a killed animal in the field prior to eating it, to making it a medical injunction that says blood should never be stored for any reason, as the Watchtower does, is a huge leap. It is just plain wrong.

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Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

by mrbunyrabit in

i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

ScenicViewer

And they are such nice people...

That is true, most JWs are nice people, but the Watchtower Society itself is not nice, and it is the Society that you will be subject to from now on if you join them. Keep asking questions when you notice an issue, and demand good, solid answers from them. They like to put you off without providing good answers to the difficult topics. Don't fall for it.

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Bloodplates... Can it Really be Justified?

by mrbunyrabit in

i was thinking about something.. getting a blood transfution.. thats wrong right?

oky and theres allot of scriptures supporting that.. so is giving blood at a bloodbank allowed for witnesses?

no, its not allowed.... oky so heres my question.... witnesses are allowed to use blood plates... where does those blood plates come from?.

ScenicViewer

Mrbunyrabit said,

"That means that witnesses are in fact profiting from other peoples sins.. Because those other people are going to lose ever lasting life because they donate blood.. but witnesses can use that blood?"

You make a good point here. JWs are allowed to accept blood fractions (it's a conscience matter), and all blood fractions are derived from someone else's whole blood donations. Witnesses can't give blood, but they can accept fractions from other people's blood.

"How does that work?"

It works for no other reason than the Watchtower Society says it works. It is not Bible based. It's one of many contradictions in the Watchtower belief system.

Welcome to the forum. You have noticed an issue that seems to go right over the head of most JWs.

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Your advice please on "Scriptual Divorce"

by karter in

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friends

my ex and i have a legal divorce.. she asked me to write a letter to the b.o.e so she can get a scriptual divorce.. she said she had spoken to the c.o.b.e ans they would take no action against me as i haven't been to a meeting in about 12 years.. my reply "ok get him to put that in writing".

so do you think they will put that in writing?.

and would they take action if i did write the letter giveing her a scriptual divorce?.

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@Djeggnogg who said,

"While the elders are not judges, they are adults..."

Whaaat? If elders are part of a judicial committee, they certainly are judges!

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Your advice please on "Scriptual Divorce"

by karter in

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friends

my ex and i have a legal divorce.. she asked me to write a letter to the b.o.e so she can get a scriptual divorce.. she said she had spoken to the c.o.b.e ans they would take no action against me as i haven't been to a meeting in about 12 years.. my reply "ok get him to put that in writing".

so do you think they will put that in writing?.

and would they take action if i did write the letter giveing her a scriptual divorce?.

ScenicViewer

Djeggnog said,

"Since what your wife wants is to be scripturally free to remarry, she need only inform the elders of your infidelity today...she would then be free to remarry today."

I don't quite follow this. Where would the second witness be? For that matter where is the first witness?

I'm unclear whether Karter has explicitly admitted infidelity to his ex. If he has, is that enough to negate the 2 witness rule? Would it now come down to her word that he admitted infidelity, and the elders would accept that as enough evidence?

If so, why would the elders require a letter in the first place? (Unless the letter was stictly her idea, with no mention of it from the elders. The post doesn't make it clear whether the elders asked for it).

In any case, Karter should not submit a letter admitting anything. His request that he be given a letter from the elders guaranteeing they will not disfellowship is reasonable. Of course they will not comply, but neither should Karter comply with a letter to them. Without getting a letter, I would not give a letter. It it's a stalemate, then so be it.