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A Watchtower double standard: Rejection and the silent treatment.

by ScenicViewer in

a recent watchtower study article shows how bad it is to be rejected over religious beliefs when olga revealed that her husband was not speaking to her because she is a jehovah's witness.. 9 in south america, olga proved loyal to god by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances.

for years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of jehovah’s witnesses.

he abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her.

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She thought she was "loyal to God" because she did not go into the church!
She imagined she was taking a "stand" because she stood outside.

Yes I got that, it was actually my point. When Jehovah's Witnesses are the target of a negative behavior, such as being rejected or not spoken to, they portray that behavior as bad, unjust, worldly, etc, but when they engage in the exact same behavior they see it as being sanctioned by God. They don't see the contradiction of it due to being mind controlled.

As Compound complex pointed out in another thread ...

"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." -- AWAKE!, July 2009, page 29.

Yet JWs make people choose between family and religious beliefs all the time, shunning the family member if he/she chooses not to accept the religious beliefs of JWs.

Complaining of being shunned and rejected is always a one way street with Jehovah's Witnesses.

The decent thing would have been for her to be inside with all the other mourners.

Absolutely!

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A Watchtower double standard: Rejection and the silent treatment.

by ScenicViewer in

a recent watchtower study article shows how bad it is to be rejected over religious beliefs when olga revealed that her husband was not speaking to her because she is a jehovah's witness.. 9 in south america, olga proved loyal to god by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances.

for years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of jehovah’s witnesses.

he abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her.

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A recent Watchtower study article shows how bad it is to be rejected over religious beliefs when Olga revealed that her husband was not speaking to her because she is a Jehovah's Witness.

9 In South America, Olga proved loyal to God by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances. For years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her. But Olga did not return evil for evil. - WT Study, February 2016, page 23

While this is meant to show how unfairly JWs are treated by others because of their beliefs, notice how Olga did exactly the same thing to others, rejecting them, including her husband, over nothing more than a religious view.

In the same paragraph of the same study article quoted above it says...

When possible, she accompanied him to gatherings of his family or colleagues. For example, when he wanted to go to another city for the funeral of his father, she got the children ready and prepared everything needed for the trip. She waited for her husband at the church door until the ceremony ended.

Wasn't Olga, who was being shunned by her non-Witness husband over religious beliefs, doing the same thing to everyone that didn't agree with her? The paragraph says "She waited for her husband at the church door until the ceremony ended."

What? She wouldn't go inside to be with her husband at his father's funeral? Why not? The article doesn't mention it, but no doubt it was over religious beliefs, she did not agree with what would be said in the church so she waited by the door.

The article claims that "Olga did not return evil for evil," but apparently she did. She gave her husband the same rejection that he was giving her, and both were doing it over nothing more than religious beliefs.

In addition, when a person leaves the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses he/she is completely cut off and rejected, again the same treatment that Olga received from her husband.

If Jehovah's Witnesses can't see the double standards promoted by the Watchtower organization it's because they have willfully chosen not to see it. Such obvious contradictions as this leave me shaking my head, wondering how long people can keep their eyes closed.

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A cording to today's wt not speaking to someone is evil

by poopie in

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wow

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Thank you StephaneLaliberte, who posted:

9 In South America, Olga proved loyal to God by showing respect for her husband even under trying circumstances. For years, he expressed annoyance at her for being one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. He abused her emotionally, insulted her, refused to speak to her, and threatened to take the children and leave her. But Olga did not return evil for evil. - WT Study, February 2016, page 23

This article points to how bad it is to cut someone off by giving them the silent treatment over nothing more than a religious view, but notice the double standard on the wife's part.

In the same paragraph quoted above it says...

When possible, she accompanied him to gatherings of his family or colleagues. For example, when he wanted to go to another city for the funeral of his father, she got the children ready and prepared everything needed for the trip. She waited for her husband at the church door until the ceremony ended.

Wasn't Olga, who was being shunned by her non-Witness husband over religious beliefs, doing the same thing to everyone that didn't agree with her? The paragraph says "She waited for her husband at the church door until the ceremony ended."

What? She wouldn't go inside to be with her husband at his father's funeral? Why not? The article doesn't mention it, but no doubt it was over religious beliefs, she did not agree with what would be said in the church so she waited by the door.

The article claims that "Olga did not return evil for evil," but apparently she did. She gave her husband the same rejection that he was giving her, and both were doing it over nothing more than religious beliefs.

If Jehovah's Witnesses can't see the double standards promoted by the Watchtower organization it's because they have willfully chosen not to see it. Such obvious contradictions as this leave me shaking my head, wondering how blind people can be.

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A cording to today's wt not speaking to someone is evil

by poopie in

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wow

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Can you post the issue and page number you are referring to? Or give us a quote? Anything more at all?

The headline is great but "Wow" is not much of an OP.

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Review of Dr. Chryssides' new book on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Old Goat in

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2016/04/a-review.html.

the book costs 140.00, but i bought it.

i agree with dr. de vienne's review.

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You can follow their research on their history blog. Link was posted earlier.

It's good to hear they are continuing with this book. Does it have a name at this point? Or if not, how would you search for it at the above link?

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Review of Dr. Chryssides' new book on Jehovah's Witnesses

by Old Goat in

http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2016/04/a-review.html.

the book costs 140.00, but i bought it.

i agree with dr. de vienne's review.

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@ OldGoat,

A bit off topic, but you once wrote an OP about a book project started by Schulz and de Vienne that was discontinued; It was a follow up to Separate Identity, if I remember correctly. Did that book ever get back on track, or has it been shelved permanently? Sorry, I can't remember the name of it.

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Defend Jehovah's Witnesses.. False claim from opposers of JW's--Creative Day..

by James Mixon in

"the creative day" how long was each day?

defend.

maybe this was posted before but i found this site.. search the above site.

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JWs have never officially rescinded their view that each creative day was exactly 7000 years long.

That's not unusual for Watchtower. To officially rescind a false teaching would simply draw attention to the fact that they were wrong, not something Watchtower leadership likes to do.

For example they never officially rescinded the teaching that the 144,000 were "sealed" (meaning the number was complete) by 1935 either, even though there are plenty of anointed today, including Governing Body members, who were born after 1935.

Moving away quietly from an embarrassing teaching is the preferred way sometimes.

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Article from Jamaica: Jehovah's Witnesses' properties for sale - Rising costs force religious group to go small

by AndersonsInfo in

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http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20160410/jehovahs-witnesses-properties-sale-rising-costs-force-religious-group-go-small jehovah's witnesses' properties for sale - rising costs force religious group to go small.

sunday | april 10, 2016 | 12:00 am by erica virtue.

norman grindley.

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A local Witness, who asked not to be named as he is not an official spokesperson for the religious group, told The Sunday Gleaner that some local properties have already been sold while others are on offer to the highest bidder.

- And -

When our news team contacted the headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses in the United States, a representative said he was not an official spokesperson for the religious group and could not speak on the record.

It's funny how out of 8 million preachers who are 'boldly declaring the good news,' working on behalf of 'God's spirit directed organization' on earth today, nobody wants to be a spokesperson all of a sudden.

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Article from Jamaica: Jehovah's Witnesses' properties for sale - Rising costs force religious group to go small

by AndersonsInfo in

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friends

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20160410/jehovahs-witnesses-properties-sale-rising-costs-force-religious-group-go-small jehovah's witnesses' properties for sale - rising costs force religious group to go small.

sunday | april 10, 2016 | 12:00 am by erica virtue.

norman grindley.

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"Maintenance and electricity costs are killers...." said the Witness.

Really?

Maintenance and electricity costs are the most basic costs of owning property. Since when can the "owner of all the gold and silver in the universe [Jehovah]," as Watchtower has previously claimed, and Who is supposed to be their backer, not afford such basic costs?

This suggests that Jehovah has nothing to do with the Watchtower organization and never has.

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Amazing Growth! Jehovah Is Blessing The Preaching Work!

by Divergent in

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today's text:.

saturday, april 2. the little one will become a thousand.—isa.

60:22.. perhaps we live in an area where there are few witnesses or where we do not see a lot of immediate results in our preaching work.

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According to Wikipedia there are 1,251,695,584 people in India as of July, 2015. What percentage of the population do the 37,000 Jehovah's Witnesses amount to?

0.002956%. That's slightly less than 3/1000ths of 1%. Such a tiny little fraction. It's much closer to 0% than it is to 1%.

That means every Witness needs to be preaching to 33,830 people regularly to adequately cover the territory.

Go Watchtower!