http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
OH MY GOD he's justifying dads mouth-kissing their daughters!
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
They are ripping him to shreds [Dino Ali].
This current guy, Dino Ali, is talking in circles.
Yes they are, but I get the feeling that Dino Ali thinks he is being smooth by giving them the runaround.
Follow this line of questioning and his response:
By his own notes he had a confession from a child molester, but the committee neither disfellowshiped nor reported to police.
He was asked, Why not?
Because we needed corroboration, he said.
He was asked, Why do you need corroboration for a confession?
He said, Because he [the confessor] was a know liar.
Have you ever heard anything more ridiculous?
this "confession" should be aired on the tv channel in regards to the investigation into jw's cover up of child abuse.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8cctyxnr-w. quite fitting, don't you think?
xd.
That was very good!
Glad you included this great shot.
Lett's smile!
remember there was a talk about not listening to "false stories" about sexual abuse from apostates on jw's fantasy station?
did the governing body put it out there as preemptive damage control because they knew this was coming?
they must have had subpoenas giving them a heads up.
Documents were requested from Watchtower Australia at least as early as Feb, 2015, so they knew it was coming. And I believe the JW TV broadcast was definitely a preemptive strike against the Royal Commission hearing as well as the BBC 4 radio report from a few days ago.
Leaving Watchtower generally comes from an accumulation of things, a body of evidence, not just one thing. What we are learning from the RC is shocking, far worse than most of us thought. It is bound to have an impact on JWs who are already bothered by some issues, although they may be silent about them, such as the blood issue, shunning family, or continually being asked for money.
For other Witnesses it may be the first seed of doubt about Watchtower, and many of them will exit in the future as other cracks in Watchtower's armor become apparent to them.
As for the JW TV remarks, they were painfully inadequate to fight what is happening in Australia.
the usual response of jws to negative reports coming from the media is 'don't listen to it.
it's satan's persecution against us.
you can't believe a word they say.'.
The usual response of JWs to negative reports coming from the media is 'Don't listen to it. It's Satan's persecution against us. You can't believe a word they say.'
Witnesses react the same way to remarks/judgements by judges, attorneys, the courts, and psychotherapists saying they are all part of Satan's world.
But not always! When the same media, legal, and medical sources report negative findings about another religion, Jehovah's Witnesses embrace and quote from those reports.
Below are several paragraphs from an Awake! magazine in which Watchtower has no problem quoting 'Satanic' sources regarding the sexual misconduct of Catholic priests. These are the same sources, and the same reports, that JWs reject when the light is shining on them.
Also, notice how the problems reported are a dead ringer for the Jehovah's Witnesses' sexual scandal today.
Sources quoted
- U.S. News & World Report (quoted twice)
- NCR (National Catholic Reporter)
- Psychotherapist Richard Sipe
- An attorney (quoted twice)
- Canadian Press
Problems reported
- Sexual abuse of children by Catholic priests
- Many spoke openly about being victimized by pedophile priests
- Sexual abuse (continually hammered by Watchtower)
- Psychological abuse
- Church refuses to listen to victims
- Church fails to take accusations seriously
- Protecting the offenders
- Clergy preserves privilege and power more than serving needs of people
- Institutional denial
- Looking the other way re sexual abuse by priests
- Tolerated sexual abuse by priests
- Covered up sexual activities of priests
- Lies about sexual activities of priests
- Law suits, not surprisingly
- Victims seek justice thru Church first
- Law suits are a last resort.
(Awake 4-8-1993, p31)
“DURING the past decade, some 400 Roman Catholic priests have been reported to church or civil authorities for sexual abuse of children,” according to U.S.News & World Report. Recently, a national gathering of survivors of such abuse was held near Chicago, Illinois. Many spoke openly of how they had been victimized by pedophile priests.
But NCR (National Catholic Reporter) notes that speakers sounded another theme repeatedly throughout the conference: “The first abuse is sexual; the second and more painful, is psychological.” This second abuse occurs when the church refuses to listen to victims of abuse, fails to take their accusations seriously, and moves only to protect the offending priests. “Fairly or unfairly,” NCR reports, “they portrayed Catholic clergy as belonging to an unhealthy and misguided group more bent on preserving privilege and power than in serving lay needs.” Several speakers made ominous comparisons to the Reformation, which split the church wide open in the 16th century.
According to Richard Sipe, a former priest turned psychotherapist and expert on sexual abuse by Catholic clergy, all this institutional denial reveals “a deep, desperate and knowing personal involvement in the problem.” He added: “The church knows and has known for a long time a great deal about the sexual activity of its priests. It has looked the other way, tolerated, covered up and simply lied about the broad spectrum of sexual activity of its priests.”
Not surprisingly, then, many abuse survivors are suing the church. NCR quotes one attorney who specializes in such cases as saying that there are pedophile-priest cases in each of the church’s 188 dioceses in the United States. He says that out-of-court settlements have run as high as $300,000 per case. U.S.News & World Report says that such suits have already cost the church $400,000,000, a figure that could surge to $1 billion by the year 2000. And the Canadian Press reported recently that some 2,000 survivors of childhood sexual abuse in 22 church-run orphanages and mental institutions in Quebec are suing six religious orders for $1.4 billion in damages.
Interestingly, though, the aforementioned U.S. attorney, who represents 150 victims of pedophile priests in 23 states, says that he has never yet had a client who was eager to go to court. Each one first tried to seek justice “within the pastoral context of the church.” NCR concludes: “Survivors go to the courts, it appears, not as a first resort, but as a last resort.”
has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?
i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?
well, i don't know what the rules are over there.
I don't know what the rules are over there.
Do Christians really need a set of rules to protect children?
Apparently Jehovah's Witnesses do.
i have just finished listening to this man jackson.
i remember him well.
he is twisting things around as much as he is allowed.
That whole "You wouldn't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name, would you?" line is becoming more and more obvious as nothing more than a convenient ploy used by elders to keep things secret.
I often think of the David and Bathsheba affair, which resulted in many bad things, including death, but did Jehovah try to hide the scandal to protect his name? No. Instead he had it put in the Bible (so JWs believe) for all to read.
What Jehovah's Witnesses are really trying to protect with such a remark is their own reputation and public image, which is becoming more tarnished all the time.
i'm not sure if this will be embedded or clickable, but this cnn video is a good one.. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn.
edit: looks like the link is clickable, but if someone knows how to embed it please do.
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I'm not sure if this will be embedded or clickable, but this CNN video is a good one.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/07/28/australia-jehovah-witness-sex-abuse-hannigan-lklv.cnn
Edit: Looks like the link is clickable, but if someone knows how to embed it please do.
dino ali, elder, taking the stand now in the australian hearings.. he's talking about interaction with disfellowshipped persons.. watch it live: .
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.
-aude..
Dino is an idiot dinosaur with a very poor memory.
If you are an elder and hear report of a child having been sexually abused by her father 'for a long time', how can you possibly forget the details or the person who told you about it?
I've listened to 3 elders testify, one being an ex-CO and ex-DO, and when asked specific questions about a sexual abuse victim in the congregation, a case they were in charge of, their testimony is riddled with 'I don't recall' and 'I can't remember' type remarks.
One would get the impression from their testimony that Jehovah's Witness elders have the worst memories of anybody on the face of the earth.
What they actually have are convenient memories. One thing they never forget is to use the Theocratic War Strategy, which is Watchtower's teaching that says they can lie to anybody who is not entitled to know the truth in their judgement. All is fair in Theocratic Warfare, including lying to investigators, judges, and other officials.
the royal commission hearing starting on monday, july 27, 2015 - australian day and date - (and it could go on until august 7th depending on how many witnesses testify) regarding jehovah's witnesses handling of child abuse is supposed to be streamed.. it could be that the hearing will only be audio not video although we were informed it will be streamed.
we'll find out in a few hours.. i live in the central time zone of the us and right now here it is sunday, 3: 45 pm.
in sydney, australia, it is 15 hours ahead of us.
Max Horley slipped ... he used the words "keep it under wraps" when he was talking about why the victim was told not to talk about the abuse to others. He cringed when those words slipped out.
You could tell that he wanted to take those words back as soon as they slipped out. His facial expression and body language said it all!
That kind of language is supposed to be internal, said only among other elders, but it came right out of his mouth and am I glad it did!
