Punkofnice, I like the way you broke down Uber Sister's remarks. Very good.
Besty, thanks for the Watchtower reference to the public trials. I've been looking for something like that!
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Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?
by Julia Orwell ini put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.
now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.
she replied, among other things,with this:.
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Is this true? Do the elders really do it like this?
by Julia Orwell ini put this week's wt paragraph about disfellowshipping on my fb page and said how poor robert's family didn't even check to see whether he was dead or alive in 16 years and a friend of mine of the 'conscious class' commented about how unchristian she felt disfellowshipping to this degree is, and i agreed.. another friend, and uber-jw who has a host of illnesses and yet pioneers, who everytime she and her husband go to another congregation, if he's not appointed within three years they move to another and try for an appointment there - he used to be an elder and no one is willing to promote him again- replied to my thread.
now keep in mind she has a dfd son and she doesn't even know whether he is dead or alive, because she follows the wt to the tee.
she replied, among other things,with this:.
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The uber-JW said,
The elders explain repeatedly what the co nsequences are. It is not a "one error, you're out" situation.
I would ask her how she knows this. Has she been in a judical situation herself? If not, was she granted permission to sit in on a JC? That would not be permitted. More than likely she is saying what she thinks, which is not always the reality. Congregation members are never allowed to know the details of any judicial matter, so how could anyone know if any case was handled justly?
I remember a Convention part in the early 1970s, Dodger Stadium, which revealed that three elders had conspired to get someone they didn't like DF'd, another elder if I remember correctly. Naturally the focus of the part was aimed at waiting on Jehovah to set things straight, and the man was reportedly allowed back in after the conspiracy was revealed, but that DF'ing was completely unjust, and I remember being surprised to learn that such things could happen in Jehovah's Organization. What about the unjust DF'ings that don't get set straight? What about the DF'ings that happen to good people because they can't agree with the teaching that allows a child to die for lack of blood, or some other Watchtower teaching that is clearly bad?
Your poster is reacting to how she percieves the Organization, which is wrong a perception.
If only Watchtower was what it pretended to be.
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POLL: How long did you remain a JW from point of baptism to leaving the KH
by Terry ini was baptised --1963. left in 1978. fifteen years.
pre-baptism, another 5 years.
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From baptism to last meeting attended: 33 yrs
Pre-baptism meeting attendance: approx 3 yrs
Total.........................................almost 36 yrs
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Resigned being an elder
by subytrek ini am new here and this is my first post although i have lurked here for a couple years.
i started having doubts about the org back then and my curiosity overcame my fear of so-called apostate websites so here i am.
i just resigned being an elder 2 weeks ago.
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Congratulations Subytrek, and welcome to the board.
I admire men in positions of responsibility who, based on a good conscience, decide they can no longer serve in that capacity. It's easy to stay put and go with the flow!
Your wife's openness to examining 'the truth about the truth' along with you is a remarkable thing.
All the best to both of you.
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JWgift.org - the UK's Watchtower-sponsored website that "should not be seen as the soliciting of funds in any way"...
by cedars in...even though it has a massive button on the home page saying "make a donation.".
https://www.jwgift.org/welcome.aspx.
cedars.
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Watchtower says,
"This facility has been provided solely for the convenience of those who asked for this service and desire to support our work by these means."
Yes, I'm sure that Jehovan's Witnesses were lined up, asking for a convenient way to give their money to the WTS.
Oops! Wannabefree you beat me to that remark!
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Interesting Read About a JW Missionary in China
by Wolfy inhttp://www.believermag.com/issues/201302/?read=article_scorah.
i found it a very interesting read.
the article was linked on one of my fav websites digg.
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That was a very good telling of this missionary's awakening.
I felt this remark spoke volumes about the very restrictive and closed nature of Watchtower.
In one of the most restrictive, totalitarian countries in the world, for the first time in my life, I had the freedom to think.
It's a shame that "freedom to think" doesn't exist in the Organization.
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Have you ever shunned someone and then later regretted it?
by 00DAD inlately, i've been reading a number of thread lately that deal with this topic.
one particularly poignant experience came from simon.
in simon's story he shares: .
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I would normally talk to a DF'd person, but I remember shunning 1. It was an in-law that I didn't know very well, but that shouldn't have made a difference.
I regret it to this day.
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verybelated intro: Tylin
by Tylinbrando inso i have been a lurker on this forum since its inception.
i registered over a year ago.
i jumped in several months back with a highly controversial subject of my daughter being sexually abused by an elder and the efforts we were taking to bring him to justice.
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That was an outstnding introduction, a pleasure to read.
Congratulations on your successful efforts at getting Michael Norris arrested.
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Trailer for 2013 Candace Conti / Rick Simons interview, now on YouTube
by cedars inhi guys.
i have uploaded the following trailer for a forthcoming series of interview videos.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ebwpjm6wa.
the interview, which was filmed on 10th february 2013, was based on questions provided by posters from this forum, specifically from this thread.... .
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Can't wait to see these videos!
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Misquotes, Lies and deception in Watchtower Publications
by jwfacts ini have just finished an article misquotes, deception and lies and would like your comments, proof reading, and any other examples that you think are important to add.
most of these already appear on jwfacts.com within specific articles, but it is more powerful seeing them included together.
there have also been a number of requests over the years for such a collection.
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Ray Publisher - Great find. I'll add the Readers Digest images as well, but will need to look into it for more information. I love how they copied it, but erased one person so it would not seem like it was stolen.
Jwfacts, these links may be helpful. They both appear to cover basically the same information, including letters to and from Watchtower regarding the plagiairized photo.