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  Patterson on the line: Watchtower claims that paying cash bond would cause “immediate irreparable harm and hardship”

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  a new article for those who are interested.... http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/patterson-on-the-line-watchtower-claims-that-paying-cash-bond-would-cause-immediate-irreparable-harm-and-hardship.

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  King Solomon said,

  Since Cedar's site is not clear as to it's status (loyal or apostate), many JWs are likely to trust it as a trusted source of JW information.

  From what I have read of Cedars' articles he his genuinely trying to appeal to Jehovah's Witnesses to help them awaken to the true nature of the Watchtower Society. Since JW's are conditioned to reject anything that they percieve to be apostate, wouldn't it be counter-productive for him to declare that his site is anti-Watchtower, aposate, or anything similar? That information would trigger most JW's to leave the site, mistakenly thinking they were getting in touch with one of Satan's agents.

  I believe his approach at least allows JWs to take in some of the information, which may get them to thinking. Even if they leave the site seeds have been planted, and who knows where that will lead in the future.

  I personally find this kind of neutral approach to be more appealing and effective than to set up an 'apostate' barrier that would prevent JWs from reading on.

  I also believe that in the long run, more Witnesses will leave the Organization and stop making contributions as a result of articles like his, rather than make more contributions. (But not necessarily in that order; as for me I stopped making contributions long before I left.)
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: Who Can Baptize?

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if you're a jehovah's witness and you have a child, spouse, or buddy who wants to be baptized, can you baptize them yourself if they request it?

  this is assuming you're a jehovah's witness in good standing.

  and is it common in the church?.

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  In the 1970s it was common (in my area) to hold baptisms that were not part of an assembly or convention; they were held at someone's house who had a swimming pool. My brother, no longer active, was baptised at one of these events.

  That practice was stopped for a reason that I'm not clear on.

  This leads me to think that a family member probably would not be allowed to baptise a new one, but that's just a gut feeling, and I realize it might vary from place to place in the world since organized assemblies may not be as common everywhere as they are in the U.S.

  Added note: These baptisms-on-the-side were done in the early 70s, and may have been a result of the 1975 end-of-the-world expectations being promoted by Witnesses. After all, the end was so close that 'there might not be another assembly,' so better get them baptised as soon as possible. That way 'they can be in the New System with us, dontcha know.'
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  When You Were A JW Were You Disturbed By "Apostate" Literature or "Apostates" At Conventions?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was always curious about what they had to say.

  (i guess i was an apostate in the making)..

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  I've seen signs with a string of many dates, going back to the 1840s, that I never understood.

  I now know that these dates represented Watchtower's failed predictions. And the 1840s dates, which I knew were pre-Russell, were the failures of the second adventists and William Miller, whose works Russell later studied.
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  Did you ever shun people when you were a dub? How did it feel?

  by oldlightnewshite in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  okay, i don't know lots of people that were df'd, but of all the times i've encountered df people when i was a dub, they actually blanked me!

  it was always something that i had fixed in my mind that the jws had dead wrong, even when i was an uber dub.

  i remember several times when i used to arrive late at meetings, and i'd make a point of getting eye contact with the poor dub at the back sitting on the naughty step.

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  In my younger days I did, and I later felt horrible about it.

  For the last few decades that I was active, when I saw a DF'd person on the street I would talk to them just as I would any body else. Even at the Hall I wouldn't shun them. No one said anything about it.

  It felt so much better that way.
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  William Bowen Will Be On My Radio Show Tomorrow

  by middleman in

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  2. child-abuse

  if anyone would like to listen or call in to my show "the razor swift" here are the details..

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  Now live.

  http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok558/2012/10/18/razor-swift-watchtower-pedophilia-with-william-h-bowen
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  Long time Lurker, ready to join in...

  by Blackbird Singing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi all, i'm a long time lurker, ready to join in and add my two cents worth now and then!

  i was in the religion for 25 years, out now for 8, along with my husband, daughter, and son!

  i would have to say pretty much the whole time i was in i didnt want to be, pretty much "dreaded" all aspects of it, meetings, service, assemblies, and talks, i hated talks, man o man would i be grouchy the whole week i had a scheduled talk.. we didnt have much family in, but lots of friends and many jw employees, pretty much lost all that, down to just one jw employee left(thats a good thing).

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  Welcome Blackbird Singing,

  It's always great to hear a success story that the entire family is out. No stress and worry about shunning from family; what a life saver that is!

  Looking forward to your posts.
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  William Bowen Will Be On My Radio Show Tomorrow

  by middleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if anyone would like to listen or call in to my show "the razor swift" here are the details..

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  middleman,

  Thank you for this post. I've never heard Bill Bowen in an interview and am looking forward to this.

  As to the link,

  - When I click on the details link in the OP it takes me to a WorldPress.com page advertising the interview.

  - There I find a link to the live broadcast, http://www.cyiworldwide.com/chat.html#.UDO166llQtR. This link gets me a "404 - Page Not Found" msg.

  I'm thinking the link will work when it's time for the broadcast to go live. Is that right?
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  William Bowen Will Be On My Radio Show Tomorrow

  by middleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if anyone would like to listen or call in to my show "the razor swift" here are the details..

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  ScenicViewer

  Is the link broken? "Page Not Found."

  Or maybe it just isn't active yet?
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  Video proof that the Governing Body was appointed FDS direcly by Jehovah

  by Badfish in

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  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ued0olrd54.

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  "I might make some funny stories from the publications artwork soon..."

  Looking forward to those!
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  Video proof that the Governing Body was appointed FDS direcly by Jehovah

  by Badfish in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ued0olrd54.

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  "...irreverence toward God, but I don't think this was."

  I agree with you drewcoul. It was poking fun at the GB and the way they perceive themselves as being directed by holy spirit.