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Need Advice "How To Shame A Jehovah Witnesses Elderettee and CBOE", What to say to Friends?

by RottenRiley in

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hi, my mom is dying of cancer and my jw brother and sister refuse to take her to chemotherapy, i thought of providing this information on their business website to debunk the claim they are "a loving family constuction company".

my next door neighbors keep asking me why i am the only one taking her to radiation and chemotherapy, should i tell them my brother and sister are the biggest pieces of shit in san luis obispo county and they hate me because i got rid of two pedophile elders by threatening the watchtower society?.

RottenRiley

I can't say this enough, you are very wise and I highly regard your opinion Steve. Your not afraid to take a stand even if somebody is going to fight your position, that's why when you speak I pay close attention, thank you Steve, your a good man!

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Anybody catch "New Girl" with Prince

by wearewatchingyouman in

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i just caught the last few minutes and counted at least three disfellowshipping worthy actions portrayed.

he was alone in his room with a girl.

he practiced magic.

RottenRiley

Micheal Jackson was in my late Aunt's Congregation near Woodland Hills, Califonia.

Micheal was given extra leave-way because he paid for the Assembly (Circuit Assembly Convention Center) building with all those "unrighteous riches", so don't expect Prince to lose his identity because we feel he is not living up to his JW Faith. If PRINCE has a free conscience, why should we harrass him, he is a hell of a musician!

How many of you attended this building in the 1970s and 1980s?

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=135&with_photo_id=39204341&order=date_desc&user=4443880

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Need Advice "How To Shame A Jehovah Witnesses Elderettee and CBOE", What to say to Friends?

by RottenRiley in

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hi, my mom is dying of cancer and my jw brother and sister refuse to take her to chemotherapy, i thought of providing this information on their business website to debunk the claim they are "a loving family constuction company".

my next door neighbors keep asking me why i am the only one taking her to radiation and chemotherapy, should i tell them my brother and sister are the biggest pieces of shit in san luis obispo county and they hate me because i got rid of two pedophile elders by threatening the watchtower society?.

RottenRiley

Steve, that's why I have not said a word, to save her from grief. The Watchtower Elders are following protocol, having love among the Witnesses was not an applied science, it' often talked about and rarely practiced. When Jehovah's Witness can demonstrate love, it goes back to the class room for more debate.. So, I will not speak but once she does pass on to the next world, I want the World not to get stuck in a lie like I did and have no problem handing out fliers and letting the world know what piece of shit they are.

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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Videos and messages from the GB

by hildebrando in

for the first time, weve accessed to audiovisual material in spanish, regarding the elders schools.

here is a video of a dramatization of a model judicial committee, in addition to letts introduction (speaking with strange gestures) and comments from anthony morris iii:.

http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/02/escuela-de-ancianos-2013-videos-de.html.

RottenRiley

They need Psychiatric help, how come we never saw all this garbage before freaks cast their stumbling blocks before us? It's material like the Elder Videos that show we are not wrong to have left the Cult, why are we allowed to see the fake religion while Millions are stuck obvlious to their lies and High Group Mind Control?

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If You Got a Call or Visit From The Elders How Would You Deal With Them?

by minimus in

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just curious..

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To all the parents who thought they lost their kids to the World because the Elders never gave a damm about your kids leaving the Organization, why not ask them "What the Hell are you doing at my house?"

"It was not a concern when my kid stopped attending Meetings, you sure enjoyed his gasoline when you drove his car in Field Service week after week but when he stop or was stumbled, Well, it's been five years did you find out why they stopped going to Meetings or you too worried your Field Service Score Card won't show time for acting like a Shepherd? Go to a house you can get "Watchtower Points" for, because what you are doing won't give you any "Jesus" or "Christian Points", now make like a Pioneer and shuffle away from my door before I call the cops!

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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Videos and messages from the GB

by hildebrando in

for the first time, weve accessed to audiovisual material in spanish, regarding the elders schools.

here is a video of a dramatization of a model judicial committee, in addition to letts introduction (speaking with strange gestures) and comments from anthony morris iii:.

http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/02/escuela-de-ancianos-2013-videos-de.html.

RottenRiley

This is using Google's Translator, you can touch up the words I missed in the first attempt but I think you will get the gist of their argument. It amazing how the different translators work and than the person who is fluent in a language can clean up or ask what important things we missed, they are running scared the video make's me feel that way, how about you?

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This video must be treated very seriously. To begin, we must start from the basis that if the Organization is giving directions to do Judiciary Committees "with apples" to making a video, it is clear that the oral statement or written about it has been considered insufficient ... to complement it with this type of material. Ie the elderly NOT follow these procedures.For example, to give readings that the brother who has confessed, I never saw it done.Same with the model where the meeting of elders meets to manage the committee.Generally the Service Committee (and sometimes still Coordinator of elders) who decides what elders serve on the board and its chairman. It is rare that the Coordinating ask candidates to run eldership Committee, and a president and a vote on the names of the prospects: What always happens is that he designates. There are many elderly people who never participate in these decisions and they find out Expulsion with publishers when the announcement is made. The reality is that this kind of decisions are made between four walls, and friends and relatives of the "sinner" are so designated to handle these cases with a high rate of acquittal. All this with the approval of the Circuit Overseers, who believe that congregations operate more nimbly (without so many long meetings) with one or two dominant elderly. Clearly the Organization seeks to counter the tremendous power that the Service Committee and in particular the Coordinator of elders, which is seen here only chairing the meeting to nominate the members of the Judicial Committee not participate in it, because the elderly do not elect him.

An old man too close with the family of "sinner" is also marginalizes without problems ... which is far from reality, as much dissension produce this kind of issues among the elderly, to the extent that some supporters are sometimes committee while others do not, affective interests, family or economic! No wonder the Coordinator thank serve on a board of elders so ideally harmonious ... Another thing that the Organization seeks to stop is that the committees do not end in too many acquittals. There are elders seeking thousand subterfuges to avoid legal action ...and those are the ones calling the shots today ... After a cursory glance of the case, to an acquittal ... However, the video directs care for such minute details as calling from the Kingdom Hall not listen to anyone ... Or arrive half an hour before the appointment with the wrongdoer to prepare for the hearing ... Now, looking at issues beyond the procedures, the organization wants the elderly to treat very subtle. Nothing accuse, nor reproach, nor catch the falsehoods: they must always be "fools" even if you are lying. But beyond the artificial "kindness", I noticed how the old rule of thumb is explained: "He never commits sin only once." The elderly, do not go and tell immediately that "sinner" but fools are made to believe that the person is cheating the elderly, and is unconcerned for a coherent version. Once you have enough inconsistencies his story is ready to be expelled: Once? Just a week ago? It is not known as early pregnancy ... In two months? With the sassy girl? "Two or three times" ... A week!(Could it be a day ...) Furthermore, the Committee has a model kindness to sinners: They did not ask what kind of sex he had (like many elderly usually) ... The unnatural sex could be an aggravating more! The guy also lied when he said he had not cultivated a relationship with your partner ... All for disobeying the advice of the elders! He did not read the task that gave the elderly ...And the last thing is concerned it is of the Lord and ask forgiveness ... It took you two months to confess! And he did just that the girl was pregnant ... but would have continued with their feast, sorry "wrongdoing" ... Only concerned family and friends of the congregation, and whether to marry the girl or not ...

The humiliating moment while leaving the elderly deliberate, is portrayed very well: He suggests that the "sinner" to turn on the light to keep you comfortable ... And then, an old man wants to give absolution moved by emotions and that the "sinner" said it would stop having sex with the girl .. Want to stretch things more hearings (typical to protect someone who according to procedures "should" be expelled procedure, because it is searching with magnifying glass any hint of "repentance"). However, in the video of the Governing Body that matters is what the book says elderly ... On that basis convinces the old man decides to expel merciful and respecting the formalities: You are told what you can still do in the congregation, the steps to be restored and ... 7 days to appeal, right rarely reported ... The saddest thing of all is how it is attributed to "holy spirit" questions "analytical", assuming you have come to mind almost miraculously ... when in fact, have been studied as everything that appears in this video. However, to pretend "spontaneity" to prove guilt, the "sinner" to overestimate the "wisdom" of the elderly, the attributes to God, and so (not by action of the spirit, but by mere manipulation tactic) is sufficiently "soft" to confess EVERYTHING. But it's too late: Her tears are in vain. EVERYTHING had to be confessed at the outset. Hid things (such as the elderly will hide your "wisdom" is not divine, but this source ...) and so will be expelled. If the holy spirit of truth directed these hearings emit divine judgments as accurate supposed Pedro gave about Ananias and Sapphira. They could not appeal or instruction books, no schools, no these videos .... There would be no concern about the fairness of the elders who "served" in a committee, nor emphasis would be given in that feelings do not interfere, nor would have you believe the "sinner" (without being certain) that God influences the minds elderly through the Holy Spirit to "facilitate" his confession ... What do you think? Posted by Hildebrand at 4:37 Email This BlogThis Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Tags: Anthony Morris III , Judicial Committee , Governing Body , Theocratic School , Expulsion , Christian Sexual Morality , Stephen Lett

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Monty Mole February 3, 2014 9:08
Hilde thank you very much, and wanted to see this video posted on the internet, so everyone can see, most of the WT confidential, judicial committees in the open, so we saved to go to nursing school. Kind regards.
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Alberto Pérez February 3, 2014, 12:03 PM
unanimity in the body too many homes, many seniors to choose (as in many congregations there are only three seniors). Fully agree with your reflection on the operation of the Holy Spirit. Too precautions if actually outside the spirit who decides.
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Alberto Pérez February 3, 2014, 12:12 PM
Another cosideration more,
usually in schools of nursing what is intended with this video, it was represented by siblings attending the school were preparing a demonstration. Needless to say, many of these demonstrations not faithfully kept the outline provided by the Watchtower. They were doing many "mistakes". So the WT homogeneity is guaranteed. Good contribution, Hilde, thanks to all involved. Incidentally, can we echo these? greetings
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max February 3, 2014 12:35
Dear Hildebrand, Very grateful for this information you posted! Max
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Anonymous February 3, 2014, 13:23
I saw this video in school McD weekend (as would the witty JHK). SC In Spain they bring the past visits, and are discussed with the board of elders at the weekly meeting with them, now many libraries kingdom halls have large flat screens. Since I saw it I thought it interesting to make it public. I have been a pleasant surprise. Bravo for the brave who have infiltrated and Hildebrand and other herbs for having hung. Unfortunately I have served on many committees, and I am ashamed for it and yeah yeah basically the procedure is that of the staging. It is true and I have lived very closely to the selection of some judicial committees has been behind the body of elders, three eat it stewed and then inform the body of elders and if it has the placet of the SC's other old people are silent, this is usually done when the "sinner-a" son-in of an elder to the SC to protect, process which otherwise is approved by the branch by that which in certain circumstances blah blah blah. Finally note that mercy, given a chance, is absent in this dramatization. Wonder what would happen if you decide not eject? Would not it be better to show leniency in the first instance? There would be opportunity to apply penalty if I were to incur evil. Who hurt benevolence? The individual?? I do not think many expelled reoffend To the congregation?Are accustomed to swallow Is the fear of losing the Holy Spirit? How much unbiblical behavior overlaps and overlaps simultánemante judicial committees. One of my conclusions is that they love to bully staff.
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Anonymous February 3, 2014, 15:10
I'm impressed! Thanks Hilde, this blog is a feast not only for the information that you make available but also make it possible to share such interesting views like Anonymous February 3 13:23. Delighted with your comments so successful. Follow this noble work.
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Emir Fregoso February 3, 2014, 16:03
I was in school, was supposed to expel a brother, you're "killing" in the sense that if you come Armageddon and the person is expelled will be destroyed.
But to my surprise me how elders committee to reach joking during the deliberation of the accused.
assumes no what this is life or death?
Shortly after going to school, I got to be with old men you could say a "pre-legal committee, bombarding a sister questions, one front 3 elderly late at night at the Kingdom Hall.
At 4 months that waives an elder with just one year of being, fortunately I did not touch any judiciary committee.
in the video clearly shows the ligerez to give the matter unanimous decision at the end and all home happy.
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Anonymous February 3, 2014, 16:40
Hilde you a One hundred sacastes your and you coloborador, remember seeing it last year, the Elders moyoria pensaton that were passed. Especially as paint Elderly Brother.were being taught the U. Video also here S how bend a legal committee, we visit this month then I say it is the same .. The Anonymous ..
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miker February 3, 2014, 16:42
I think this procedure is now open to EVERYONE for ALL to see, is a major blow.
wish to highlight the 3rd BUM histrionics on the first video.
Such walked and mastery of camera ... great! Note that is as true as a ticket leather.
says ... I love it when "Remember who have been appointed by ES" ... Oh yeah?
Like EL?? lol, well ... This theme is good, because it shows you pose ... the written rules do not work. The Caudillismo (in the Chilean "acabronamiento") BOSS of the tribe, is TOTAL.
Lets be honest, there are "old" and "elders" ... are those who have the upper hand and the other types without power or importance. This instruction is to balance the power in a way that matches all other .... thing that ever happened in the history of the Church. Awwww as technology has advanced! from Paul's letters, you then fakes in his name put into the canon, and now videos!! Yeeeahhh. FEAR, remains the quintessential motivator. Fear to act or not to act, afraid to do or not do ... fear, panic, scare .... and especially the strength of ghostly ethereal "force field" divine.
... As I see it I wonder if the principle BUM PARASITE believes what he says .. and reply me ... those useless no longer believe in anything.
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Elders School 2013: Model Judicial Committee Videos and messages from the GB

by hildebrando in

for the first time, weve accessed to audiovisual material in spanish, regarding the elders schools.

here is a video of a dramatization of a model judicial committee, in addition to letts introduction (speaking with strange gestures) and comments from anthony morris iii:.

http://hildeydesa.blogspot.com/2014/02/escuela-de-ancianos-2013-videos-de.html.

RottenRiley

I can translate it for you, allow me some time to catch the nuances.

"This video should be treated very seriously. To begin with, it must be assumed that if the organization is giving directions make judicial committees 'with apples', even making a video, it is clear that the oral or written statement on the matter has been considered insufficient... to complement it with this type of material. I.e., the elderly do not follow these procedures. For example, that give readings to the brother who has confessed, never saw that it did. The same goes for that meeting model where the body of elders gather to manage the Committee. The Service Committee (and mostly still body of elders Coordinator) is usually to decide which elderly people will form part of the Committee, as well as its President. It is very rare that Coordinator ask candidates of the body of elders to run the Committee, as well as a President and put to the vote the names of prospects: what always happens is that he appoints them. There are many elderly people who never participate in these decisions and hear an expulsion with publishers when the notice is given. The reality is that this kind of decisions are taken between four walls, and friends and relatives of the 'sinner' are appointed in this way to meet these cases with a high rate of acquittal. All this with the approval of the Superintendents of circuit, considered the congregations to work more quickly (without so long and so many meetings) with one or two dominant elderly.

"Clearly the Organization seeks to counteract the tremendous power they have the Service Committees and in particular the Coordinator of the body of elders, here it is simply presiding over the meeting to appoint the members of the Judicial Committee without participating in the same, because the elderly did not choose to. It also marginalizes a elder too close with the family of the 'sinner' without major problems ... far cry from the reality, since much dissent produces this kind of affairs among the elderly, to the extent that some are sometimes supporters to make committee while others do not, by interests affective, family or economic! No surprise that the Coordinator thank you serve in a body of elders so ideally harmonious."

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Another thing that the organization seeks to stop is that committees don't end up in too many acquittals. There are elders seeking thousands of sneaky ways to avoid judicial measures... and those are the ones with the singer voice today... After a brief look of the subject, give an acquittal... However, the video instructs take care of details so trivial as calling from the Kingdom Hall so you hear no one... Or arrive half an hour before the appointment with the wrongdoer to prepare for the hearing." "Now, seeing the issues beyond the procedures, the Organization wishes to be the elderly may be very subtle to deal with. Nothing to accuse, or rebuke, or pillar in the falsehoods: always have to be 'fools' even though they are lying. But beyond the 'kindness' artificial, i drew attention as explained the old golden rule: 'sin never commits only once'. The elderly, do not go and tell him that immediately to the 'sinner', but that will make the stupid to the person that creates that is fooling the elders, and they are responsibly give a coherent version. Once you have enough inconsistencies your story, you are ready to be expelled: will you be? Just a week ago? It is not known as soon a pregnancy ... In two months? What with the blatant of the girl? 'Two or three times ... The week! (Could be the day ... ) On the other hand, this Committee has a friendliness model to the sinner: he was not asked what kind of sex had (as many elderly are accustomed)... The unnatural sex could be an aggravating factor more!" "The boy also lied when he said that he had not cultivated a relationship with your partner... everything by disobeying the advice of elders! You did not read the task given to it by the elderly... And the latest is concerned is the Lord's and ask forgiveness... took 2 months to confess! And it did just that the girl was pregnant... but it had followed with your feast, forgiveness 'malfeasance'... Only his family and friends of the Congregation, is concerned and if you have to marry the girl or not...

When humiliating out as elders deliberate, is portrayed very well: suggests the 'sinner' you turn on the light so that it is comfortable... And then, an old man wants to give absolution moved by emotions and because the 'sinner' said that it would stop having sex with the girl... You want to lengthen things with more hearings (typical procedure to protect someone who 'deserves' to be expelled, as they are with magnifying glass look for any hint of 'repentance' according to procedures). However, in the video of the governing body what matters is what the book of elders... On that basis it is convinced the merciful old and it was decided to eject, respecting the formalities: it tells what you can do in the Congregation, the steps still to be restored and... the 7 days for appeal, right rarely informed...

The saddest thing of all is how is attributed to the 'Holy Spirit' the 'analytical' questions, assuming that she is they have come to mind almost miraculously... when in fact, they have been so studied as everything that appears in this video. However, to pretend 'spontaneity' to prove guilt, the 'sinner', to overestimate the 'wisdom' of the elderly, attributes it to God, and thus (not by action of the spirit, but by mere tactics of manipulation) is 'soft' enough to confess everything. But already too late: her tears are in vain. I had to have confessed everything from the beginning. He hid things (such as the elders hide their 'wisdom' is not divine, but this source...) and therefore will be banned.

If the Holy Spirit of truth directed these hearings, it would issue accurate divine failures as the supposed gave Pedro concerning Ananias and Sapphira. Appeal, books with instructions, or schools, or these videos would not... There would be no concern for the impartiality of the elders who 'serve' in a Committee, nor would be emphasis on feelings not interfere, nor nor would you believe the 'sinner' (without being certain) that God influences the minds of the elderly through the Holy Spirit who extracts or bring out his confession...

What do you think?

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Need Advice "How To Shame A Jehovah Witnesses Elderettee and CBOE", What to say to Friends?

by RottenRiley in

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hi, my mom is dying of cancer and my jw brother and sister refuse to take her to chemotherapy, i thought of providing this information on their business website to debunk the claim they are "a loving family constuction company".

my next door neighbors keep asking me why i am the only one taking her to radiation and chemotherapy, should i tell them my brother and sister are the biggest pieces of shit in san luis obispo county and they hate me because i got rid of two pedophile elders by threatening the watchtower society?.

RottenRiley

I owe my brother and sister a lot of spiritual capital, without their wicked conduct and my fist hand experience with how the Watchtower's company men (my brother) will cover over pedophile confessions while they try to thwart victims getting justice.

My family could be deeply stuck in this Cult, so I feel guilty sharing the dirt of how evil the two families are. The Pedophile is the man who asked the Watchtower for a "Support Group" for the "Brothers who Confessed to Child Rape but feel they are not blessed by Jehovah". Not once did the Pedophiles and their backers (the angry Cult family members) ever try to bring comfort to the victims for fear of legal retaliation. The Born-Again Christians neighbors (I guess I am now a born-againer :) ) are confused the JW Family don't follow the Bible, how do I explain their conduct to people who worship Jesus Christ and God, not some mind-controlled goons?

I owe them for my Christian Freedoom, without that I might be stuck on a Religious Treadmill for the rest of my life. The incompetences, the fearful elders and piss-puppy cowards the Pedophile and the two other members bullied around was my fertile soil, I evolved so I owe them my Christian Freedom. Now, when a new member comes to JWN, they can see quickly from the topics above, it's not them becauses our topics are about the same misconduct the JW Elders and Elderretes are notorious for.

The Elders know, they have known how wicked the conduct is for ten years and said "We are not able to do anything, it's not our job to get involved with Family Matters" I said "Fair enough, why have you not removed him for Public Reproach", one elder who was very honest said "Because he is the man who helped get the homes built for the former Watchtower people, they won't bite off the hand that donates, really!" I was shocked by his honest evaluation and that's when I started looking at Ex-JW Websites, Freeminds was my first website in my journey to understand why JWs were a crooked and twisted religion with most members suffering emotional problems.

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Need Advice "How To Shame A Jehovah Witnesses Elderettee and CBOE", What to say to Friends?

by RottenRiley in

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hi, my mom is dying of cancer and my jw brother and sister refuse to take her to chemotherapy, i thought of providing this information on their business website to debunk the claim they are "a loving family constuction company".

my next door neighbors keep asking me why i am the only one taking her to radiation and chemotherapy, should i tell them my brother and sister are the biggest pieces of shit in san luis obispo county and they hate me because i got rid of two pedophile elders by threatening the watchtower society?.

RottenRiley

Hi, my Mom is dying of Cancer and my JW brother and sister refuse to take her to Chemotherapy, I thought of providing this information on their business website to debunk the claim they are "A Loving Family Constuction Company".

My next door neighbors keep asking me why I am the only one taking her to Radiation and Chemotherapy, should I tell them my Brother and Sister are the biggest pieces of shit in San Luis Obispo County and they hate me because I got rid of two Pedophile Elders by threatening the Watchtower Society?

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Is Eating The Clone of Your Baby Wrong or Yuk? If so why? Placenta with Shallots Recipe.

by RottenRiley in

what's your view, i will agree with the watchtower's belief system and say it's wrong to eat the genetic clone of my child.

here's a clip, if you want the rest of the article, i will post what the apologist ask to those eating a placenta, is it yuk or cool?.

".... listen to the words of richard dawkins from oxford, gladly declaring the philosophical ramifications of naturalism.

RottenRiley

What's your view, I will agree with the Watchtower's belief system and say it's wrong to eat the genetic clone of my child. Here's a clip, if you want the rest of the article, I will post what the apologist ask to those eating a placenta, is it Yuk or Cool?

"...

Listen to the words of Richard Dawkins from Oxford, gladly declaring the philosophical ramifications of naturalism. Here there is no fear—just plain affirmation. This is what he says:

“There was a well-known television chef who did a stunt recently by cooking human placenta and serving it up as a paté, fried with shallots, garlic, and lime juice. Everybody said it was delicious. The father had several helpings. A scientist can point out as I have done that this is actually an act of cannibalism; worst since cloning is such a live issue at the moment, because the placenta is a true genetic clone of the baby. Science cannot tell you if it is right or wrong to eat your own baby’s clone, but it can tell you that is what you are doing. Then you can decide for yourself whether you think it is right or wrong."...