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  My Final Goodbye

  by Lady Lee in

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  i want to start by saying i will not participate in discussion here about my resignation as a moderator at jwn.. simon please consider this as my resignation from that position.. i have been posting on this board for almost 12 years.

  i know some of you a lot, others a little and some not very well at all.

  i have remained here for those of you who have needed support as you make the transition out of the wts, who needed someone to listen to your experiences of abuse at the hands of jehovah's witnesses, and to both laugh and cry with you as you progress out of the watchtower society.. we know that we have all experienced the cruelty of abuse of one kind or another.

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  scotoma

  I am NOT sorry to see you go.

  I had another identity on this forum.

  I pleaded with you to stop one of your good friends here from harassing me on my posts.

  You did nothing.

  From my standpoint you did NOTHING to moderate my situation.
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  The Small Quiet Voice

  by Satanus in

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  do you hear it?

  not talking about voices.

  i'm talking about that little niggling thing, on the side.

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  scotoma

  Satanus:

  You are right. The more you shut up the old voices you realize that you have a voice that is your own.
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  The Small Quiet Voice

  by Satanus in

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  do you hear it?

  not talking about voices.

  i'm talking about that little niggling thing, on the side.

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  scotoma

  There are several voices. Probably four.

  Voice 1 The quiet squeaky voice that tells you not to rock the boat. The excuse maker. Your inner mouse.

  Voice 2 The demon voice that tells you to get your share no matter what the consequences. Your inner rat.

  Voice 3. The god voice that tells you what society wants of you. The shoulds and oughts of conscience. May actually sound like your mother and father talking to you. That's your conscience.

  Voice 4. The voice of reality that tells the other three voices to STFU and just let you look around before going any further. It's the WIGO voice = What Is Going On
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  How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?

  by Terry in

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  2. friends

  as i have said many times, i did not really study jw teachings in depth until i went to prison.. i had a period from 1959 to 1967 when i---sort of----could explain things to a shallow depth.

  once i entered that profound place in my head (while in federal prison) when everything got serious.....i entered a secret room, so to speak, where.

  all the mysteries were hidden!.

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  scotoma

  Terry,

  I have been thinking the same way lately. Especially with all the information trying to identify the "slave class" and the emphasis on "Our Herritage".

  Even though I haven't believed JW teachings for 40 years I tended to dismiss their teachings because their basic premise is false. I like to look at the foundation beliefs of a system to save the time of wading through every fallacious statement. Once I figured out that the Bible wasn't the book they thought it was I was content to just pay attention to my most recent indoctrination.

  It reminds me of the Hindu answer to what the earth sits on. The earth sits on the back of an elephant - and when asked what the elephant sits on the answer is it's elephants all the way down. Not only is current JW dogma toxic - it's toxic all the way back. And why not? The Bible isn't so special either. The Bible is just like the oldest "bound volumes".

  The problem is that it is so easy to just forget the past. But the past is the source of all the current nonsense.

  I still attend some meetings with my wife. She married me as a witness. We've been married a long time. She isn't going to leave me. She raised our four children (none are witnesses anymore). So I give her the dignity of not having to always sit alone at the hall. I actually enjoy it because in my head I'm playing "Name the Fallacy".
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  Analysis Of Tiny Humanoid

  by metatron in

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  http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/smg-report-4-22-2013-final-complete.pdf.

  it claimed that an expert at stanford stated that it is not a primate.

  it would be good to hear other expert opinion.. .

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  scotoma

  I believe there are visitors from other worlds (interplanetary or more likely interdemensional).

  I detest the industry that has grown around this stuff.

  Art Bell and Noory Coast to Coast etc.

  It goes on and on and on. The interviewers of these information peddlers don't need to poke fun of the ridiculous ideas but they should at least get the facts and ask really penetrating questions.

  But then they wouldn't have a job either because the experts would gravitate toward the interviewer that makes it easy.
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  Adultery in the Bible

  by BU2B in

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  i know that when you take a marriage vow, faithfulness is expected and either party going outside that bond is wrong.

  however as i read the bible i seem to notice that in the old testament a woman having relations with anyone not her husband was adultery, however the only way a male can commit adultery is to have relations with another married woman, thereby infringing on another mans wife.

  if a married man was to have relations with an unmarried woman or prostitute, this isnt considered adultery.

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  Crazy Guy:

  It all depends on the woman or man and their physical health and hormonal profile.

  In fact the bible says to turn down young widows for relief because their sexual impulses are likely to lead them astray from the path.

  1Tim 5:11

  It's all religion of nomadic people living in tents.
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  Mathematical equation for working out witness divorce rate using the national average.

  by joe134cd in

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  2. friends

  hi folks.

  i have noticed that there is a lot of speculation on how well witness perform in marriage.

  there is a simple equation that can be used as a guide to work this out.

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  scotoma

  The divorce rate is about the same for JW's as the general population.

  I was sitting at a Watchtower study on marriage where they were basically bragging about the power of "God's Word" to hold marriages together.

  I got bored and started listing in the margins every wedding I had been to in the previous 40 years. Witnesses get to go to a lot of weddings.

  I listed a little over 50 weddings. Then I crossed out all those that were no longer married. Almost exactly half were no longer together.

  A small but unsurprising survey.

  The biggest factor is how two personalities get along after the sexual heat is off. Opposites attract but they don't last. The other extreme where two people are very similar doesn't work because there often isn't enough passion. That leaves a middle area where the people are enough alike to get along and different enough to generate some heat.

  Marriage really is a 50/50 proposition. Half work well enough and half fail.
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  Anti-Watchtower is DejaVu all over again

  by scotoma in

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  remember the catholic church?.

  remember the protestants.

  protest-ants.. the catholic church remains the largest christian organization on earth.

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  scotoma

  Remember the Catholic Church?

  Remember the Protestants. Protest-Ants.

  The Catholic Church remains the largest Christian Organization on earth. Some say twice the size of protestants.

  This is typcial of dissenters. They tend to fragment.

  It's all noise in the machinery.

  Most people who are no longer JW's have a lot of catching up to do and don't have time for such distractions.

  The choicest morsels yet came from a Governing Body dissenter - Ray Franz. And he remained a captive to the really big lie "God and the Bible Storybook"

  Time will do more damage than any "anti-" group.
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  My View and Bobby Dylan's View of AntiWatchtower Special Groups

  by Band on the Run in

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  my computer crashed so i am not fully informed of the recent antiwatchtower organization.

  i must vent, however.

  perhaps i am the only one on the face of the earth (or the entire universe) but i found cedar's opening announcement insulting.

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  scotoma

  So many organizations so little time....
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  A.D. -The Most Important Book Today?

  by metatron in

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  i just started reading "a.d. - after disclosure" by richard dolan.

  it is an attempt to rationally predict what will ( or would, depending on your viewpoint) happen when authorities around the world admit that extraterrestrials exist and first contact happens.. will markets crash?

  will religions collapse?

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  Frankie:

  Your suggestive ridicule of Met is abominable.

  Just say you don't believe.

  In fact if you don't believe it don't say anything because there is nothing extraordinary or interesting about not believing in something.

  Especially when you obviously know little about the serious information that is available.

  Don't ridicule those who have healthy curiosity.

  If you don't believe it fine.