Posts by INDYpendent

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2011 "Let God's Kingdom Come!" District Convention Program

by witnessofjesus in

9:30 song no.

10:50 song no.

12:10 song no.

INDYpendent

I wish I could say that I'm looking forward to my DC (a week from tomorrow in Portland, ME), but right now the thought of wasting three (more) days of my life makes me want to throw up.

The show doesn't even start until 9:30; what the heck, half the day is over by then. If they set the start time at 6:00 am, cut out the morning intermission at 10:50, shortened the lunch to :30 minutes, cut out the afternoon intermission at 2:00, and ended the program at 6:10, they could literally cover all of the three day's worth of talks and we would be out of there in one day! Sorry to say, however, the lame drama(s) would have to be cut from the program. If they cut some of the fluff that is built into the talks, we could be out even earlier, like 2:00.

Like the rest of you that will be attending, I'll be taking good notes on the Saturday symposium.

INDYpendent

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So how many annointed are there and how many supposedly are left?

by stillstuckcruz in

maybe i just don't pay enough attention at meetings, which is a serious possibility.

of the supposed 144,000 thousand jw's that are supposed to go to heaven, how many have there been thus far?

what happens if their number surpasses that 144,000?.

INDYpendent

Two or three seem very generous! If the "number was sealed" by 1935, there really shouldn't be any left. Assuming that in order to be annointed, one would need to be baptized and mature in the truth, then the youngest of the annointed remnants should have been in their twenties or thirties, I would think. Under ideal conditions, that would put them at or over 100 years old. Not that it's impossible for humans to reach that age, but it is highly unlikely that one of these would ones would still be around.

Here's what I found on an internet search:

Recent estimates show roughly 450,000 centenarians worldwide. With the world's population currently at over 6.8 billion, that would make the figure .006% or six thousandth of one percent.

Even if 10,000 snuck in under the wire in 1935, that leaves only about a 50% chance that ONE of them could still be alive.

INDYpendent

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I'm off to the circuit assembly today

by jgnat in

i have my goody bag ready to go; a blank notebook and pencil, and two books:.

qed the strange theory of light and matter by richard p. feynman (psalm 102:25).

the fate of africa: a history of fifty years of independence by martin meridith (ecclesiastes 4:1-4).

INDYpendent

I was subjected to the two grueling days at the CA this past weekend, also. One of the (many) things that really bothered me was the accounts report. We use the Natick, MA assembly hall, which has no mortgage or outstanding loan, no taxes, free labor every Monday for maintenance and repairs, and yet, the "total expenses incurred" for the weekend was over $10,000! I just don't get it??? Yes, the lights were on, there was running water in the bathrooms, we had some heat (not very much, but it was there). Although my family did make a contrubtion, I cut our "mathamatical share" in half. Even that, I think, we gave too much. There's just no reasonable way to justfy the cost of $5Kper day to maintain that facility!

INDYpendent

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Snow Storm expected in Boston on April 1st

by charlie brown jr. in

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friends

is this a freaking joke??????

it's 60* today and we might have 1 foot of snow by friday night???.

i remember april 1 1997 i plowed almost 3 feet of snow..... haven't we had enough?

INDYpendent

I live in NH (in what's predicted as the 6" - 12" path of this coming storm), but work down in MA just outside of Boston. I'm one of those firm believers in Winter tires for Winter, Summer tires for Summer. I still have the studded winters on the car and have no apprehension about this (hopefully) last storm of the season. I wouldn't leave New England for anything! We have it all here...all four seasons, great sports teams, dunkin donuts, history, stable economy (compatatively)...who would ever want to leave this beautiful part of the world?

INDYpendent

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Sitting on the fence

by INDYpendent in

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friends

new here; this is my first post.

i signed up with the hope of getting some of your thoughts regarding how to proceed with an ongoing situation.

a little background: i have been baptized for about twenty years, or is it twenty-one, i can't recall.

INDYpendent

Thanks to everyone for the advise.

I began a casual discussion with my wife this weekend about what she thought about the meaning of Luke 21:8 "He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them".

It did not end well. My wife has been "drinking the kool-aid" her entire life and she will take the company line every time. As soon as I read the scripture, she asked if I was becoming apostate. When I re-asked about the meaning of the scripture, and she refused to answer. I'll spare everyone the unnecessary details of a long and unfruitfull conversation, but it ended with her saying "I don't care what you do or what you think, but don't ever try to get me to change what I believe; it will never happen.".

I'll keep throwing little "digs" in when I can, but this past weekend set the template of how not to approach the topic with her. To add to the religious tension in the household, we have the Circuit Assy this coming weekend; I can hardly wait.

INDYpendent

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Sitting on the fence

by INDYpendent in

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friends

new here; this is my first post.

i signed up with the hope of getting some of your thoughts regarding how to proceed with an ongoing situation.

a little background: i have been baptized for about twenty years, or is it twenty-one, i can't recall.

INDYpendent

I have met with a couple of the elders to discuss what I saw regarding the contact between the elder and the boy. I was basically written off because of the elder's anointedness. I admit, now, as I did then, that I did not actually see him put his hands in the kid's pants, they had turned away from me by then, but what I saw leading up to the point where they turned, was what I would call "inappropriate touching". He was rubbing his hand inside the kid's suit coat and rubbing his chest. As he started to move his hand down toward the kid's belt is when they turned and I couldn't see from my angle what was going on.

As far as Cain is concerned, kramer, here's my question:

The WTS has flip-flopped on this many times, with the most recent decision landing on the "Cain will not be ressurected" side (see WT 5/1/2005 pp 15 & 16 and associated pp questions). It is my opinion that Cain WILL be ressurected. I base this opinion on two facts. The first, in Genesis 4:15, Cain was protected by Jehovah. And second, if death is the payment for sin, and Cain has died, his sin should be forgiven. Doesn't that make sense?

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Sitting on the fence

by INDYpendent in

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friends

new here; this is my first post.

i signed up with the hope of getting some of your thoughts regarding how to proceed with an ongoing situation.

a little background: i have been baptized for about twenty years, or is it twenty-one, i can't recall.

INDYpendent

Greetings everyone,

New here; this is my first post. I signed up with the hope of getting some of your thoughts regarding how to proceed with an ongoing situation.

A little background: I have been baptized for about twenty years, or is it twenty-one, I can't recall. I am married to a wonderful woman that was born and raised as one of JWs, and we have two amazing kids - 13 & 14 years old. I have been on the edge of the congregation for at over ten years. By that, I mean that I don't comment at any meetings, although I do go out in the field ministry a few times per year, I do not report the time, I have little use for most of the people in the congregation and I don't consider them my Brothers or Sisters, and I have absolute distane for one of the elders in the hall. He's "professed" to be of the anointed; what a joke. The God that I know and love would never permit such a vile person into his organization (whereever that organization is), let alone grant him such a privlidge. (Although I don't have any hard evidence, I suspect that he is a pedophile! I've seen him at the KH holding a little retarted boy and rubbing and carressing him in places that his hands should never have been.)

Anyway, maybe I questions things too much, but am I the only one the thinks the society is wrong about virutally every "rule" they create? Where do they come up with this stuff? I have great appreciation and respect for the Bible, but I can not bring myself to even read the trash in the Watchtower anymore. I find myself questioning everything I hear from the platform. I mean everything; from the ressurection of Cain, to the proper use of blood, to which translation of the Bible I should use.

So, here's the problem. I am not willing to give up the amazing family life I have with my wife and kids by walking away from the JW organization. My wife is not very tollerant of my attitude and insufficient participation, and she is afaraid that I am "falling out of the truth". The reality is that I have found very little truth in "the Truth", and I've already fallen out; I just haven't told her yet.

How long do I have to keep "living a lie"? How can I reason with the wife and kids? Am I doomed to sit here on the fence forever, or is there a way to take them all with me to the other side?

INDYpendent (thinker)