Hello Contramundum, Nice of you to join us. I'm sorry you have to face this horrible situation. I agree with Magnum & Hadriel. Good Comments boys.. You will come to realize that yes these ones who are your friends do care about you but their loyalty is to the borg first. The safest thing to do is to keep your gob shut. I know that sounds blunt but well there you have it, the plain simple truth. They will grass on you if you say the wrong thing. Don't panic though, help is at hand. You can come on here & vent away.
Posts by Sabin
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37Stepping out of the shadows
by contramundum ini have been lurking on the site for a few months and thought it about time i plucked up the courage to step out of the shadows and say hello.. i am in the process of fading after realizing all is not right with the organization i had trusted implicitly for over 40 years.
there have always been 'truths' i have struggled to accept entirely, even as a child, but was confident that trusting in jehovah, building my faith and remaining patient would be enough to settle any nagging doubts that remained, so i pushed any inconsistencies to the back of my mind and concentrated on being the best witness that i could be.. over the last few years, however, i have been preoccupied with a number of crises in my family and stepping back slightly from 'theocratic' activity has allowed me to re evaluate a number of concerns and research sources other than the sanitized wt publications.. my eyes are now wide open - i found things which have appalled me and left me feeling extremely let down and disappointed by people i had really trusted.. i tried gently raising a few subjects with my mum (who was baptized early '70s and still remains a staunch wt supporter) but she will hear no criticism of the organization.
i understand this because the best part of her life has been invested in the religion and to acknowledge it may have got things wrong would be to recognize the last 40 years have been a vain waste.
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Red or Green Flags....
by The Rebel init seems everybody is doing it, and giving green or red flags.
and personally what a difference it makes to my " ego" when i get a green flag and feel my opinion is respected.
my green flags totally convince me what i say is " brilliant.
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Sabin
When I first joined this forum I was not in the best place emotionally getting green flags helped to give me a bit more confidence in expressing myself without fear of how shall I say it, repercussions, like the kind I got from the borg. I was sensitive. I got my first red flag & felt disappointed, then I got a PM from the person, who apologized saying they had done so by accident. They then introduced themselves to me & told me something personal about themselves which I thought was brave. It made me think & I decided I would never give any one a red flag & I haven't, even if I don't like what they say. I will PM them & say my piece if I feel it is personal & the person would not want that put on the forum for every body to see or I will say my piece on a post.
And quite frankly I don't give a flying f...k if you like that answer or no. It does lift one to get a green flag, & the red ones I recommend you ignore.
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Books I read when I deprogrammed
by OrphanCrow inblondie suggested someone start a thread with a list of books that are valuable to read when exiting the jws.. i will start.. i left the jws way back in the early 70s and didn't actually deprogram until into the 80s.. one of the first books i read was "the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses" by gary and heather botting.
canadian exjws from calagary.
an excellent book and one that still resonates with young people today.
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Exiting the jw cult, Bonnie Zieman. 1st book I read & found really helpful in understanding that what I was going through was normal after leaving. No I wasn't going mad. -
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Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!
by DATA-DOG ini propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .
seriously.... any suggestions?
this crap cannot be left unchallenged.
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Sabin
We were thinking of some games they use: how about Operation, Call it Indoctrination.
Pictionary could be Witnessary.
Back Gammon could be Back stabbing.
Connect four could be Connect the Doors
Snakes & Ladders need I say more.
Trival Pursuit could be Trival Excuse
Guess Who could be Guess the false prophet
Mouse Trap could be Cult Trap
Cant think of anymore at the mo, any ideas?
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Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!
by DATA-DOG ini propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .
seriously.... any suggestions?
this crap cannot be left unchallenged.
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Sabin
I'm sorry, but I'm actually having difficulty believe this isn't a joke. This is way off normal, games for the family that help with maths & English & get the brain going that also give you time with your kids. We always did that, but games that completely indoctrinate! wtf, I said WTF.
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Wear were you in the "Pecking order" in the congro??
by karter inwe were right down with the very lowest.. father never a jw we had a po with little mans syndrome and love to pick on sisters that had no husband to stand up for them,he picked on my mother only to find out he picked on the wrong person,she came from a hard up bringing and didn't take any s###t from anyone particularly this little bully and we were very poor...how low can you get!.
karter..
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Sabin
Yep I was on the bottom, husband not a brother & I was an argumentative bitch, if I didn't agree I would say so. I was hated for that. Bastards.
Blondie, I love your comment. Made me laugh.
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Some thoughts on the new midweek meeting
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthe new midweek meeting has been running for a month now.
here are my thoughts on how it is going so far:.
1) elders are looking frazzled from being on virtually every meeting and having to prepare unfamiliar formats for items.
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Sabin
First of all what the hell does CLAM stand for? it sounds like some kind of a sexually transmitted disease, "I GOT THE CLAM"
Second, I don't know why your so surprised, they never allowed room for individualism before hand. It stands to reason that the more power they get the worse they will become on that front.
& Third, "Listen, Obey & be Blessed. LOL.
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Would you kill for the org?.......YES I WOULD!
by olongapo joe inso, a few years ago my jw parents, my non jw sister and her husband, and myself were discussing religion and jw beliefs.
my parents of course defending the jw's, the rest of us, against jw's ( it may not have been specifically against jw's, maybe just religion in general) anyway, things are getting a little heated, and i finally ask my pops, if the watchtower bible and tract society told you to go out and start killing muslims, would you do it?
yes i would, was his reply, to which i say, then your not any different than the radical muslims killing in the name of religion.
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Sabin
No, I would not, It would be wrong. And when I was in I never believed Jehovah would kill every one not a JW just the sadistic assholes that loved to see suffering. It was quite upsetting when I finally realized that the borg fitted that description perfectly. Did you see how President Obama cried for the children who were gunned down, not even a flicker of emotion from Geff Jackson at the A.R.C. Besides JW's are killing 1'000 every year with their policies on blood & the psychological torture of shunning that causes god knows how many suicides & the psychological fire they put all those children through. I hate the fact I was in it now.
I agree with Beth.s
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Honestly, Did Jehovah's Witnesses Do Anything POSITIVE For You?
by minimus ini was raised as a witness and am very thankful that i am out.
having said that, i think my upbringing produced positive qualities in me.
do you believe that anything positive came from your being a witness?
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Seriously....We have to start attacking this cult!!! Enough is enough!!
by DATA-DOG ini propose that we make pintrest accounts and start openly challenging this crap.. .
seriously.... any suggestions?
this crap cannot be left unchallenged.
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Sabin
Is it actually real, come from the Borg, how much are they charging? These poor kids can they not have normal games like snap, frustration, monopoly or connect four any more?