Posts by GOrwell

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Help! Strange request for info I heard in a Recorded (gasp!) Talk.

by PaintedToeNail in

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i heard a recording of a talk by a bro.

who's topic was something to the effect of 'coincidences in the history of wtbts and jehovah's direction'.

i believe it was an american bro., who claimed that a woman who owned a mansion in atlanta, at the time of general sherman's march to the sea, and subsequent burning of atlanta, had her mansion saved.

GOrwell

sorry, that seems about 3 coincidences too many..

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Iran vs Israel and the USA = WW III (Should we be worried?)

by Me Myself and I in

this particular bowl of soup has been bubbling for some time now, with various posturing and toing and froing.

looking at the media and the subsequent comments from israel regarding iran, it looks clear that something is going to happen soon, very soon..... with iran having the ears of both china and russia, israel having the us and of course we (uk) as the states poodle on the other side.

i wonder if this could be the beginning of the end?.

GOrwell

I simply can't see China and Russia letting Iran go into the control of the West. Russia isn't oil poor, but China doesn't have a ton of the stuff. Iran is the last big oil prize in this region. US got Iraq, UK got Libya, and now they want Iran too? Might be just too much..

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WHO WILL TEACH US THE TRUTH?

by The Searcher in

8/15p.23par.14unitedfruitbearers just as the anointed "branches" of the "true vine" must remain in union with christ, the "other sheep" must remain in close union with "the faithful and discreet slave," christs anointed "brothers.

" only thus can they hope to inherit the kingdom prepared for them from the founding of the world.

w838/15p.24par.16unitedfruitbearersthe facts indicate that this grafting in went on until the mid-1930s.

GOrwell

Holy Spirit? full stop.

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Anyone do sales for a living by any chance?

by cognac in

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i just started in sales recently and have been really good at it.

of course, i grew up a jw, lol.. anyways, i was working on closing an account and took another guy at my work with me to go over the specifications and get quotes and that sort of thing.

well, after the meeting he called and emailed her to ask further questions without my knowledge.. so, i called her yesterday and she completely flipped out about the way he treated her saying that he was pressuring her and bullying her.

GOrwell

From what I know of sales, each customer account that is yours is your customer account. The only person that should be handling the account is you. It sounds like the other person, if they were a fellow salesperson, were trying to close the deal behind your back and get the commission..

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IS THIS For REAL? Need someone with French watchtower to verify!

by Dogpatch in

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i just received an email from france that, i quote:.

"new subliminal picture in a french jehovah's witnesses magazine (a very scandal)".

"reveillez vous" of 2011 april page 32. http://upload.is.free.fr/upload/mgf41rec.gif.

GOrwell

Exactly SixofNine, it's a huuuuuuuuuge stretch to say that this is what it's purpoted or intended to be..

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The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

by cedars in

i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

GOrwell

True; he didn't say "perfect" he said "very good" - my bad!

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The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

by cedars in

i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

GOrwell

palmtree : When God was detailing the trees, and what to do and what not to do in

Gen 2:16,17 : "And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

Wouldn't that be the appropiate time to lay out the requirement to eat of the tree of life on a somewhat regular schedule? After all, that would be pretty much required information, in that if you didn't eat of it, you'd die.

People assume that Adam and Eve had eternal life (immortality is not eternal life) because of verse 17, and the consequence of eating of the good/bad tree was that they would die. Ergo, if they didn't eat of that tree, they would live forever.

As well, God said all his creation was perfect. Perfection would seemingly include not being sinful and thus having to die.

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The Two Trees - My Genesis Ponderings

by cedars in

i've just posted a new blog article to jwstruggle.com on the link below:.

http://www.jwstruggle.com/2012/03/the-two-trees-my-genesis-ponderings/.

the purpose behind the article is to explore my own doubts and long-standing confusion over the genesis narrative - particularly the events surrounding adam and eve's expulsion from eden, and the "two trees" (namely the "tree of life" and the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad").. in my article i discuss my confusion over what the exact properties of the "tree of the knowledge of good and bad" may have been, and the fact that evidently by eating of the fruit adam and eve did not become sinful but more godlike.

GOrwell

I think botchtower and mind-blown were on to something here :

@botchtowersociety said:

"I think in the story the Tree of Life represents communion with God in perfect relationship. I think the Tree of Knowledge represents trying to make ourselves God. Original sin was a breaking of the relationship. It still exists, but it is comparatively feeble."

I agree with you here. In this account, God said that they would die "in the day" or on that exact day if they ate of the Tree of Good and Bad. Of course, they eventually did die, but not right on that day. God said they would. Did God lie?

Of course not. I think Adam and Eve died spiritually on that day. With that, their perfect relationship with God, and their source of life, died as well. Allegory or not, no tree would give immortality, but the Source of Life of God could give eternal life, and it's through our eventual perfect relationship with Him that we will gain eternal life. Of course, we can have a relationship with God now, but it is as Paul said, "through a foggy mirror" (or something similar).

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Proof of Jesus' Deity using the NWT - One Simple Scripture

by GOrwell in

now, this topic is not about providing proof of the trinity using the nwt, but is instead about the deity of jesus.

yes, they are similar, but different, topics.. specifically, we can use the nwt to show the deity of jesus and how the people/authors of his day viewed who he was.

this bible quotation won't even come from the fallback jesus-is-god book of john, but instead comes from the book of luke.

GOrwell

I wanted to bump this thread and discuss Hebrews 2:5-9, relating to the deity of Christ. Though the authorship of Hebrews has always been up for discussion, Paul is the most commonly accepted author. Hebrews Chapter 1 goes through the same thought process of trying to identify who or what Jesus is by comparing him to angels, but Hebrews 2:5 is slighty moved to the backburner.

Heb 2:5 (NWT) : "For it is not to angels that he has subjected the inhabited earth to come, about which we are speaking. 6 But a certain witness has given proof somewhere, saying: “What is man that you keep him in mind, or [the] son of man that you take care of him? 7 You made him a little lower than angels; with glory and honor you crowned him, and appointed him over the works of your hands. 8 All things you subjected under his feet.” For in that he subjected all things to him [God] left nothing that is not subject to him. Now, though, we do not yet see all things in subjection to him; 9 but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, that he by God’s undeserved kindness might taste death for every [man]."

The main idea here is that God didn't subject the future inhabited earth to an angel. However, He did subject it to his Son. By extension, the Son/Jesus can't be an angel, because God didn't subject it to an angel.

Thus, who or what is Jesus?

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Weird Pic in Awake - Jesus Looks Very Pleased About Something.

by cofty in

a new member of the jws forum has posted this scan of a picture in the french edition the april 2011 awake.. i have never believed the subversive wt artist stories but this one is funny.. .

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GOrwell

It must be one of those where if you see it, you can't unsee it, but I sure for the life of can't see it.. I don't notice anything off at all..

Edit: OK, I don't know how the first person who 'saw' (and I use that word very liberally) this came the penis conclusion.. it doesn't even vaguely look like that...