Posts by fulltimestudent

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Quote: "FTS - you are equivocating. NOBODY is advocating Victorian attitudes of social Darwinism FFS."

Ummm, cofty, are you sure about that? A dictionary definition of equivocation is to use ambiguous language so as to conceal the truth or avoid committing oneself.

I clearly stated near the beginning of that post that I was presenting a history of racist thinking. I suggest that the era of British racism is close enough to our own era to influence our thinking, whether it is overt or subconsciously.

In my own country the White Australia policy persisted into the life memories of a generation that may still be active. Of course, few today advocate social Darwinism, its now a discredited concept, but to what extent does it influence the thinking of people who want to set a color/social bar to prevent undesirables moving into the neighbourhood?

So rather than 'hiding' anything my post should have illuminated your mind.

I also suggested in that post that the best word to describe what some are advocating is culture. The objection seems to be to strange customs (or culture). Of course, there may be other factors. Some years ago on a visit to Taiwan with a business friend, we were driven to a special lunch in a company car. On the way we had to pick up the President of the company. To get to his home we entered a gated community and had to pass another 4 checkpoints before reaching his home. The motive for this was surely economic. Only people of a certain status lived in that community.

I've seen a similar project in China, Only one checkpoint at the entrance, and only 20 homes. but essentially the same goal. On a guided tour by a friend (who knew of my interest in attempting to understand contemporary China), I was told that the President of large company would not live in that gated community, but the Vice-President could. This community also included a central 'club' house where the residents could entertain guests. Clearly another attempt to exclude persons of the wrong economic status.

I will continue my attempt to illustrate the origins of group related attempts to bar the wrong elements. The next on takes us into the far past.

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What Do You Think of Socialism?

by minimus in

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do you support socialism?

is it something that you would want in your country?.

fulltimestudent

I read that there are some 500,000 bankruptcies a year in the USA, due to medical expenses. Is that true?

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Question....Did Charles Russel Ever Finish High School?

by new boy in

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i saw john cedars show last night about when he visited the headquarters and this was mentioned.. this is the first i heard of this.

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fulltimestudent

To try and apply modern practise in education to the nineteenth century is stupid, My parents only had 6 to 7 years of education. And, in Australia, the common school leaving age in the late 1940's was 14.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Quote: " a threat to the indigenous population"

I wondered when I read, this, what parts of Europe still have the original indigenous population, extant?

As I;m sure you already know. the mass movement of people like the Huns westward caused massive population movements all across Europe.

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Race - 1

I think I'm wasting my time being involved in this, but .... The problem is the old problem, do you base your decisions in your life/mind on feelings or reason.

Here's some extracts from an ABC ( the aussie one) podcast on whether such a thing as 'race' exists,' I quote it just to start a history of racism.

I need to make one point first. There seems to be something built in to some primate animals. that regards with suspicion any group that's not your own group (more on that later) and no matter what the argued conclusions are. it does seem that most 'racist' arguments are likely based on that.feeling and not a reasoned conclusion,

But here's the comment I wanted to post now -

Quote: "Our modern ideas of race began with a Swedish botanist called Carl Linnaeaus who lived in the 18th century. Linnaeaus enjoyed classifying life on Earth, and he’s often described as the Father of Taxonomy. First, he grouped plants into particular categories, and then animals, which of course meant classifying primates, and eventually humans.

According to Darren Curnoe, an associate professor of human evolution at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Linnaeaus was the first to formally slice our species into four proposed races.

'He essentially recognised Europeans as a race, Mongoloids or East Asians, American—and he really thought of native Americans, and Africans,' says Curnoe.

A few decades later a German physician called Johann Friedrich Blumenbach added another category called Malays and, critically, he made a hierarchy.

'He put Caucasians at the top, followed by the Americans, followed by Mongoloids, followed by Africans,' says Curnoe.

The hierarchy was based on early European notions of beauty, personality, temperament and Blumenbach’s study of the shape of skulls."

Reference: https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/science-vs-podcast-asks:-does-race-exist/6525064
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So are all you guys who arguing for a homogeneous.society/community/nation aware that's likely where your notions of 'race' started. Actually the differences you see in what you are calling 'racial groups' can better be described as, 'cultural.'

Although some western people like to think that it's all explained in the bible ((you know, the Jewish origin myths) its hardly an explanation of what is being discussed here.,

However, the concept of 'race' seems to have gotten a boost in the wake of European colonisation of various places in the world as (particularly the English) Europeans sought to justify what they were doing to other people. This is particularly important, because the migrations that are being complained about basically have an economic foundation,

A clear exposition of the process may be found in John M. Hobson's* Book, :The Eastern Origins of Western Civilisation, particularly ch. 10 - Constructing European racisst identity and the invention of the world, 1700-1859: the imperial civilising mission as a moral vocation.

During the nineteenth century, social Darwinists claimed that 'the Anglo-saxon race had a duty to take over the world' because 'the inferior races of the world were going to become extinct' (hence the use of Darwin's name) and 'progess and civilisation was safe only in the hands of the British.'

If you attempted to chart this notion you would chart three groups of nations/race. First would be the 'Civilised' peoples of the First World ( at term still used). At the top of this group was Britain, followed by various other Western European nations Then came the Barbaric peoples, The Ottomon empire, the Chinese empire, Japan, Siam, and finally the Savage group, including African peoples etc. Much of what our contemporary western culture believes originated in that nineteenth century process.

* John Montagu Hobson, is a political scientist, international relations scholar and academic. Currently he is Professor of Politics and International Relations at the University of Sheffield. This John Hobson Is the great grandson of John A Hobson.(if that matters)

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What Do You Think of Socialism?

by minimus in

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do you support socialism?

is it something that you would want in your country?.

fulltimestudent

I'm ha-haing at the moment. Why? Because understanding that the collective mind-set in the USA is anti-socialism, a results of the decades of propaganda in which the USA saw the Soviet Union as its big enemy.

But aome time back I read an article (now lost in my jumbled files) describing how the US government party often used pork barreling as a way to win votes. If a certain congressional district was failing economically, this writer claimed that the government would often spend some money in that area via its ability to spend money on military projects. The writer called it, "Military Socialism."

I've never gone into the 'truthiness' of that claim. Is it correct?

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When You Were A JW Did You Really Understand The Religion and What You Were Getting Into?

by minimus in

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many witnesses in my opinion know nothing about the religion.

they don’t understand the history, the doctrines or the bible.

many people become jws because they were raised as witnesses so they take the plunge.

fulltimestudent

Quote: "Many Witnesses in my opinion know nothing about the religion. They don’t understand the history, the doctrines or the Bible."

That's my impression also. Over the years I was associated with some 10 congregations and formed the view that less than 20% of witnesses really knew much more than the basics. The majority may have been able to turn up a few texts in the bible to prove something, but a deeper discussion would have seen them at a loss. Being a good witness was a matter of having a good memory.

Quote: "Am I the only idiot here that converted when I was about 20 years old ? True at that time I was in a vulnerable state and a co-worker shared some scriptures with me and gave me some literature ."

NO! You're not the only one. I think I was about 17 and probably could be described as vulnerable. This was the early 1950's. WW2 was not that far past, and Europe was still struggling. A movie (of all things-grin) had an affect on me, It was called , "The Boy With Green Hair," about a kid who's hair turned green and would stay green until the world tried to be peaceful.

I was also a bit of a fan of Dame Mary Gilmore, who could ask some penetrating questions, like: "If there is a god, who will he take to to heaven, the war hero bomber pilot who dropped bombs on innocent civilians and killed many, or the civilians that he killed?" In spite of being a bit studious, no-one had taught me critical thinking skills, and I wasn't smart enough to work it out for myself. I'd become something of a pacifist and when the Korean war started i wanted to refuse the draft that the Menzies' government started. As I tried to work out what I could do, the JW's became news because of their stand against military service. So I went up to one on the street (doing magazine work as it was called then) had a chat, he invited me to the PT next day. So I cut short my customary sunday sailing, and went to the talk. Ted Jarascz gave the talk, so I got intro'ed to him though I thought he was not impressed by my colorful shirt or fashionable buzz cut hair. So I kept going, went to court as a conscientious objector, but the magistrate ruled that I did not have a conscience. Since the Society would gave no advice on what to do, a group of us (i.e. JW kids) decided to obey the direction to report, but refused to obey military orders. That seemed to cause some indecision in Canberra as they took a few weeks to come up with a way to handle us, which in the end boiled down to taking us to another magistrates's court finding us guilty of something and handing us over to the army to be jailed for the two years we should have served in the army.

The army bureaucracy decided I had not had a proper medical so had me examined by an army Dr, who asked me what it was all about and made his own decision that I was right and the army wrong and exempted me. Luck was on my side because I was still a dumb kid who lucked in on that day. Took me near 40 bloody years to wake up to what a bloody fool i'd been, I read and re-read some of the stuff that Freddy F. had written in the red book (I think the title was, Life Everlasting in the freedom of the Sons of God, thought about all the "Ifs" that Freddy discussed and concluded that 1975 was a bit iffy.

I became even more convinced when (about August/September of 1976) Nathan K and Freddy spoke to the Sydney elders at the Greenacre Assembly Hall. Nathan was fighting the cancer that eventually killed him and likely hoping that Freddie was right and 1975 would see the end. But Nathan got straight to the point and said to us that there was not enough time left in 1975 for all the things that Freddy said would happen, to actually happen (implying that they'd been wrong to peddle 1975) and gave Freddy a hard look as he said it. The talk left me wondering, that if old YHWH guided the decisions of the WTS and the JWs, how the bloody hell had he guided them to this point? Freddy got up to try and explain, but nothing he said to me made sense any more.

Then the next year, the WTS sent Doug. Held out to Aust, to rouse us all up by saying that the big A could still be 18 years away. I stuck around for another 15 years before getting booted out, which led to my wife saying she was in spiritual danger and needed to divorce me.

So there it is - I can only excuse myself by stating the obvious, What a bloody fool I'd been.

When a Young Jesus and Buddha Return to Earth for a vacation. _ XJws. Will See the possibilities of some Great Fun

by fulltimestudent in

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i'm talking about a japanese manga series that's been very popular in japan, over 16 miliion copies of one o the series available have been sold.. here's one preview, though i think its more cosplay than traditional manga.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxdrplxxxmy.

more detail can be found in this wikipedia entry.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/saint_young_men?fbclid=iwar1mztuzjo2zgjvqbmv6808pooy9qi79v4sxlsxhoewrhrqdfv1ga64vzey.

and a grab-bag of skits from the series, shown as manga and live-action cosplay.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyls8ubbej8.

fulltimestudent

I'M talking about a Japanese Manga Series that's been very popular in Japan, over 16 miliion copies of one o the series available have been sold.

Here's one preview, though I think its more cosplay than traditional manga.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXDRplxxXMY

More detail can be found in this Wikipedia entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Young_Men?fbclid=IwAR1MztuZJo2zGjvqBmv6808pOOy9QI79V4SxLsxhoewrhRqDfv1ga64VzeY

And a grab-bag of skits from the series, shown as manga and live-action cosplay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyls8UbBeJ8

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Artificial Intelligence and 2019

by fulltimestudent in

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i was intrigued by a forecast made by damo academy, the in-house technology and science research arm of china's, huge e-commerce business,, alibaba.. they seem to be predicting the following technology trends for 2019 and that artificial intelligence would continue to be the ho area of progress.. so what do any techies hanging out here think?

safe predictions?

wild guesses?

fulltimestudent

I came across this discussion on YT. Simply expresses its looking at how AI, humans and robotics could work together. It was a TED talk by a Maurice Conti, with the title: The incredible inventions of intuitive AI.

Conti suggests that technology will amplify our cognitive abilities in this 3 way alliance. Watch it, I think that it will be 15 minutes well spent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5N2Jl8k14

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Diversity is White Genocide

by corrie54 in

asia for the asians, africa for the africans, white countries for everybody!.

everybody says there is this race problem.

everybody says this race problem will be solved when the third world pours into every white country and only into white countries.. the netherlands and belgium are just as crowded as japan or taiwan, but nobody says japan or taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.. everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every white country and only white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.. what if i said there was this race problem and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into every black country and only into black countries?.

fulltimestudent

Quote: There was amazing technical advance in ancient Egypt, China. but somehow nothing compares with the advancement that humankind has seen during the dominance of the pale race, including the jewish people of course.

This where these sort of arguments start to fall apart, This poster wants to describe Jewish people as "pale." If we accept (for a moment) Jewish mythological origin stories as true, Abraham is described as coming from Ur in Mesopotamia, which means that Abraham was likely a Sumerian or a Semite. Whether or not that story has an truth in it. the Jews can only be described as West Asian ( if it matters). To describe contemporary European Jews as belonging to 'pale skinned' group may be true now, but that situation could only have come about through intermarriage (even if it was only with local converts). The skin color of Jesus and his followers was most likely darker than that of any 'pale' group. And likely many of the contemporary Moslem people of Palestine had the same ancestors as Jesus. The only difference is that at some point in history they found it convenient to convert to Islam. And likely they are 'purer' ethnically than any of the contemporary Jews that rule modern Israel. Paradoxical isn't it?

Can we (yet) know for sure the skin color of any ancestral people? How many 'white' Europeans have Asian ancestors, as a result of the western migration of the peoples in and to the north of modern China?

What is really under discussion here are two things. What has been the impact of the modern nations that form Europe on the world? And, in the so-called Industrial revolution, how many things are genuinely new discoveries?