You know what would be funny? When the mother opens the trash so the kid can put Sparlock in, she see all the tracts the family had put in all the not-at-home neighbors' doors over the previous weekend.
snakeface
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The new kids DVD - was it deliberate? What are we missing?
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normally i don't go in for these conspiracy theory ideas, but a comment by kurtbethel on another thread got me to thinking.
might this latest dvd actually be proof that there are operatives inside watchtower hq who are deliberately sabotaging the society's material?
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The new kids DVD - was it deliberate? What are we missing?
by cedars in[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>normal</w:view> <w:zoom>0</w:zoom> <w:donotoptimizeforbrowser /> </w:worddocument> </xml><![endif].
normally i don't go in for these conspiracy theory ideas, but a comment by kurtbethel on another thread got me to thinking.
might this latest dvd actually be proof that there are operatives inside watchtower hq who are deliberately sabotaging the society's material?
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snakeface
I just saw on youtube the video about the boy bringing sparlock home, and then there's a scene where he's throwing it in the trash as his mother holds the trashcan open.
Why didn't the parents have the boy return the toy to his schoolmate, and have a Bible-based discussion with this friend on why he is returning it? That could be a witness to the schoolmate, which could lead to the schoolmate and his entire family coming into the Truth.......
Here's a more realistic scenario. The boy comes home from school with the toy. The mother is too sick to notice because she's going for cancer treatments. The "worldly" neighbor Mrs Goat who never talks to JWs at her door, is the one who always takes the boy's mother for her cancer treatment even though it means she has to take time away form her own church activites. None of the sisters are available to do so because they are auxiliary pioneering this month and also getting ready to feed the circuit overseer and his wife. The boy's father had to step down from being a MS because his hours are too low, because he has to work 3 jobs to pay his wife's medical bills. Therefore the whole family has been marked as "weak" and "materialistic". None of the JW kids will play with the boy. So Mrs Goat, on the way back from the mother's cancer treatment, brings the boy to a toy store and lets him pick out a toy, because she has noticed that none of the witness kids play with him anymore.
Scene 2. The mother discovers that the boy has the toy and asks where he got it. The boy tells her. The boy's parents are disappointed that it is a toy they do not approve of. However, they want to set an example and teach their son manners, and also that hospitality is a 2-way process: one extends the hospitality (giving a gift) and the other accepts the hospitality and says thank you. They put the toy away somewhere and save it only for whenever Mrs Goat is taking the mother to the doctor, so that Mrs Goat will see the boy playing with it. The boy is old enough to understand that different people have different beliefs and that has to be respected.
Scene 3. The elders come by because the parents have not turned in their time. They see the toy in the house and tell the mother that is what caused her cancer and that she will die at Jehovah's own hands as an apostate and the boy will be an orphan forever. After they leave they are all crying and they call Mrs Goat. Mrs Goat comes over and hugs them all, and brings a meal over. She tells them that all these years she has never criticized their beliefs but has observed many things that shocked her. Mrs Goat assures them that she will always be there for them and that she will gladly find others from her church to help them; after all, her church teaches unconditional love, "the golden rule" and other things like that.
Scene 4. Mrs Goat and her fellow church people continue helping this family through their difficult time, whereas the witnesses continue to tell them how much they are greiving God's spirit and that armageddon is right around the corner...a hospital patient should be able to witness to doctors and nurses in order to get her time if she really took the truth seriously. But of course it's not completely her fault because her "head" is setting a poor example by allowing them to miss meetings.
Scene 5. A year later, the mother has recovered! The whole family is grateful to Mrs Goat and her church friends, including the children who provided companionship for the boy. They sneak into the hall during a meeting and put Sparlock and their dissassociation letters on the magazine counter, only to find out that Sparlock really does have magical powers! Yes, Sparlock stands up, the sound system goes out, the ceiling starts crumbling...the family runs out. But the rest of the congregation stays in, rejoicing that armagageddon has begun and that they are where they are supposed to be in order to survive. The hall collapses, killing everyone inside. But the family is safe because they got out of there just in time.
Scene 6. The church people take up a collection to help surviving family members of the JWs who were killed in the hall. The pastor contacts the WT Scoiety and offers to let them hold their mtgs in the church hall temporarily (for free) until they build a new hall. But the Wt people chew the pastor out, calling it a goat shed and a house of demons, and say that they don't associate with devil-worshippers. The pastor responds that his offer will still be good if they change their minds.
Mrs Goat, the former JW family, and their new friends from the church go on to live happy lives.
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I went to the Watchtower Study with the "Selma and Steve" article today, and....
by cedars inno, i didn't really - but i'm anxious to hear from anyone who did!!.
what happened after the paragraph was read?
did anyone try to denounce abusing one's spouse under any circumstances, or were most answers supportive of the "advice" given to selma, i.e.
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snakeface
Selma deserved it, because she told Steve to cut his hair and shave off his beard so that he can be "presentable".
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I went to the ASSembly
by MrFreeze ini didn't think i'd ever have a reason to go back to the assembly but my sister was getting baptised so i told her i would go.
i would still like to keep on decent terms with my family who is still in.
otherwise, i would have said no.. there were only a five people that got baptised (four kids and one elderly person).
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snakeface
I would have told that bitch that I had not come there to see her. If she doesn't have anything upbuilding to say she should remain silent.
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"We miss you."
by dontplaceliterature init's beginning to annoy me when people send me text messages and e-mails of this sort.
it's even more annoying when it comes from people who i primarily associated with while i was still active, but who i haven't heard a word from since i quit going to meetings a couple months ago.
most of these people live less than five minutes from me and would be welcome at my house anytime.
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snakeface
dontplaceliterature, don't take it personally. It's just a formality with them. Like when someone asks, "How are you?" we respond, "Fine, thank you. And you?" It's been at least 4 years since I've showed up at the hall, and no one has ever stopped by or called. I simply just did not show up one day and never went back. It has been as if they hadn't noticed. But recently, for the Memorial, I received a handwritten letter from an elder, with a Memorial invitation and a magazine enclosed. Interestly the letter was saying how much everyone misses me. The letter concluded with, "We love you." How hypocritical! I like what blindnomore said: "They were never your friends in the first place but your fellow cult members It's time to get to know friends who care about you for being who you are not what you are."
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Evil Elderettes, the true Hounds of Hell!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inmy wife was told a brother was going to be disfellowshiped, "how do you know this is going to happen?
" sister so-so said "he was not repentant or humble to the brother's kindness.
" instead of engaging into a heated debate, she knew who the leak was, so-so's husband.
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snakeface
You know how the WT Society says there's an "Elijah class" and a "Jonadab class" and so on? These elderettes make up the "Delilah" class.
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Evil Elderettes, the true Hounds of Hell!
by Bubblegum Apotheosis inmy wife was told a brother was going to be disfellowshiped, "how do you know this is going to happen?
" sister so-so said "he was not repentant or humble to the brother's kindness.
" instead of engaging into a heated debate, she knew who the leak was, so-so's husband.
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snakeface
In some congregations, it's the elderettes who make all the decisions, and they actually run the congregation. (Reminds me of prison movies where the "bitches" run the place.) But think about the elders. Many are very talented and skillful and knowledgeable in their jobs, but they have no clue about how to manage people. Maybe some have become elders only because their wives have pushed them to do so. These women have a saying, that they tell the brothers: "You might be the Head, but I am the Neck!"
There are a lot of confidential congregation matters that elders share with the MS's. So in some cases the MS's might be sharing with their wives. These wives can be like elderettes-in-training.
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My Dream Has Come True latest tower last page
by therevealer in"my dream has come true" i have a bullshite story in the latest watchtower..
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snakeface
I think the boss just sent her home to change her outfit.
"Lose the dress and just wear that red thing over your shoulders."
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when did you make convention hotel reservations:"during regular business hours or right after the meeting ended?
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snakeface
I used to work in hotels the first few years of being a JW. Besides the WT convention, we'd have other groups, such as the World Wide Church of God, booking their annual conventions. In fact the WW C of G was the biggest group.
We did offer a slightly lower room rate, but I think the advantage for the hotel was that these groups would be renting a large number of rooms. If we were a 200-room motel for example, we know these groups would be using at least 150 or 175 rooms.
About 6 or 9 months before the convention I'd see some of the elders coming to meet with the hotel mgr to negotiate rooms.
I bet the real reason for requiring the flock to stay at the "approved" hotels was so that the "Pharisee" class wouldn't be seen doing whatever they were doing in the 5-star hotel. In the 1980's our conventions were in St Petersburg, FL. There was a Hilton right across the street but it was not on the list. But I'm sure the Bethel delegates stayed there! At one convevtion I remember during the announcements the CO said (from the platform) there will be a meeting in such-and-such room for all elders who are staying at the Hilton across the street. All elders who are staying at the Hilton are required to attend this meeting. I don't know what the outcome was, but I bet some of them did show up for the mtg and turn themselves in. I guess is, the visiting speakers stayed there and saw these others there.
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My son was murdered today
by truman ini have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.
i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.
maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.
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snakeface
I am so sorry! What a horrible tragedy!