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  As a JW - Did you See Meetings Continue in Spite of Medical Emergencies?

  by flipper in

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  i was talking the other day with a fellow board member about medical emergencies occuring at meetings and how we both agreed that we ( while jw's ) had never seen a meeting stop or be cancelled due to medical emergencies experienced by a fellow jw.

  the wt society trains jw' s to lose their authentic human feelings or any empathy towards others physical or emotional sufferings many times.

  so many times at meetings , in spite of someone suffering a serious medical emergency it was " the show must go on " type of attitude displayed by congregation elders.. my first experience at seeing a medical emergency at the kingdom hall was an older sister who had an epileptic attack.

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  We had one sister in her late 30s who would get epileptic siezures during meetings about 2 or 3 times a year (and at home, of course)... the meetings would simply go on while one elder and her caretaker would put her on the floor and pinch her tongue down with what appeared to be a spoon. The whole incident unfolded while most of the congregation continued to look forward at the brother giving the talk as if everything was OK. Not once was an ambulance called. One Sunday, in the middle of a Watchtower Study, she had a massive siezure and I remember how disgusted I felt when the microphone handler simply stepped over her (after she was placed on the floor in the middle aisle) just to get to a child in the back row who was called on to answer "Jehovah" to one of the questions...
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  Could this be why book study groups in homes were stopped?

  by Mickey mouse in

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  http://www.examiner.com/x-7814-la-church--state-examiner~y2009m5d23-san-diego-official-says-home-bible-study-needs-permit.

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  Alfred

  bumping this thread... i'm surprized it hasn't had more comments or views...
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  You can be fined for holding Bible studies in your home in California

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  faith california city fines couple for holding bible study in their homeposted on september 19, 2011 at 1:36am by madeleine morgensternphoto via flickr user erwin vogelaar.

  a southern california couple has been fined $300 dollars for holding christian bible study sessions in their home, and could face another $500 for each additional gathering.. city officials in san juan capistrano, calif. say chuck and stephanie fromm are in violation of municipal code 9-3.301, which prohibits religious, fraternal or non-profit organizations in residential neighborhoods without a permit.

  stephanie hosts a wednesday bible study that draws about 20 attendees, and chuck holds a sunday service that gets about 50.. the fromms appealed their citations but were denied and warned future sessions would carry heftier penalties.

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  just like the whole jimmy swaggart tax scandal, the wt lawyers are once again way ahead of everyone else... they probably saw this coming way in advance and advised the governing body to spin this into a "family worship night" before anyone can associate the eventual enforcement of this california code with the discontinuation of the book study...
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  Census / online survey idea - thoughts please...

  by cedars in

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  2. scandals

  i've been thinking about the recent developments in the uk following the "apostates = mentally diseased" article in the july 15th edition of the watchtower.

  to provide a bit more background, a forum member named amelia has recently had a meeting with uk police officers who subsequently took a copy of the article for their records.

  they agreed that the content could potentially incite people to hatred against disaffected witnesses, and the copy is now on file with the uk police in case there are any future incidents of hateful acts against "apostates", including violence or even stalking.. i am working on a press release to make the public more aware of the idealogical oppression being meted out by the society on those who oppose them, both inside and outside the organization.

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  Cedars

  EXCELLENT IDEA... and excellent survey questions...

  would you consider adding: "are you fully aware of the what is behind the two baptism questions you were asked at the assembly?" If so, "please explain what these questions should mean to anyone considering baptism in this religion"...
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  Higher Education and Disqualification for Privileges in the Congregation

  by 00DAD in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  when i was still serving as an elder in the late summer of 2006 in a congregation of jws in socal we received a letter from the "christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" (read: the governing body) directing that anyone pursuing a higher education would be disqualified from privileges of service: elder, servant, pioneer, etc.

  i remember this quite distinctly because i had just received by ba in education in june a few months before this.

  in 2002, i had decided to pursue a degree under the society's then current "it's a personal decision" policy and was quite shocked at their drastic policy change.

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  Alfred

  Depends on the CO... if he's an oldtimer, he might refrain from giving an elder an assembly talk if he has kids in college... if it's a new CO, he'll probably just look the other way...
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  I really want to go JW but..

  by fortbethel in

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  i've studied with like 30 diff denominations.

  i really feel jw is best for me.

  i think it's the 144,000 part & the once a year get together when they pass around the sacrament that bothers me most.

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  Alfred

  ThomasCovenant... great find... thanks...
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  New here looking for some help

  by angel.face in

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  long story short, i have been a jw for the pst 7 years.

  i am married with 2 kids.

  hubby is a die hard jw who is an ms and would like to be elder.

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  Alfred

  Angel face...

  What PalmTree said...

  Also, please try to pace yourself... don't appear desperate when presenting evidence... try to let the evidence speak for itself...

  for example, I once re-watched the DVD Faith In Action Part I (2010) with another brother who is a hard-core JW... i paused the video on the two occasions where the narrator mentioned the Bible Students looking forward to 1914 as the year when Jesus would take his throne. I then asked him him: "so XXXXX, before 1914, the Bible Students were looking forward to 1914 as the year jesus would finally take his throne right?" he said: "of course, that's Biblical".... I then showed him old WT publications I obtained through a friend (like Thy Kingdom Come, Millenium Dawn, Finished Mystery) where it is clearly stated that Jesus took the throne in 1874 and it wasn't until about 1929 that they finally changed 1874 to 1914... in fact, prior to 1914, about the only thing being expected was Armageddon. He was quick to mention Proverbs 4:18 (the light gets brighter...) but I just knew that I struck a nerve because he began to studder and lost his composure...

  Anyway, that's my two...

  but please have evidence readily available before saying anything and let it speak for itself... if it has no effect immediately, be patient... this could take a long time...

  good luck

  Alfred
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  I have the will - just wish I had the means and opportunity to be able to convert jws.

  by Holey_Cheeses*King_of_the juice. in

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  yes, i think it would be fine for all jws to be converted.. .

  converted into pet food or garden compost.

  that way they could achieve something useful by their existence.. cheeses.

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  Alfred

  whatever you're smoking... don't share it with anyone just yet...
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  Inside Australia's chilling new cult, an xJW is the leader

  by finallysomepride in

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  2. current

  in a 10 month investigation, sunday night infiltrates one of the worlds most worrying new cults.

  but most chilling, this cult is australian, spreading and described as worse than waco.

  we go inside the cults headquarters to meet the leaders and their followers who claim their lives have been changed forever.. http://au.news.yahoo.com/sunday-night/features/article/-/10276027/inside-australias-chilling-new-cult/.

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  I'm sure the GB became giddy when they saw this report for the 1st time... I can just picture Tony Morris picking up the phone in his office and calling the writing dept with a stupid smile on his face... By February or March, the "study edition" WT will feature an article about what "apostates" engage in after leaving "jehovah's organization"... they'll definitely be using this aussie cult as an example...
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  Today's Watchtower Study is SO dumb!!!

  by TimothyT in

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  2. beliefs

  i would like to think of myself as an academic.

  im starting my second degree and i enjoy research.

  when i see a statement backed up by references and support from a credible source, sometimes i get excited.

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  Alfred

  greybeard and leonbus... name one thing the idiots in brooklyn got right... in the meantime, i suggest you research the wt's history more thoroughly before making any more ignorant comments on this board...