🤣 demonstrate one fallacy I used
I second this request. The fallacies should be listable, especially if that's all he's leaned upon.
MeanMrMustard
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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday
by slimboyfat infor newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday
by slimboyfat infor newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?
he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.
the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.
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MeanMrMustard
Just seeing this.
Sad news.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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MeanMrMustard
Page 928. Has Lloyd gained mastery over his penis yet?
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What is Greg Stafford up to these days?
by slimboyfat inyou may have been wondering: what is greg stafford up to these days?
lots of interesting things, is the answer.
exposing the false trinity doctrine, of course, but keeping on top of other issues too.
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MeanMrMustard
Imagine the sheer number of unproven layers and assumptions you must have to finally come to that conclusion.
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Disney Star Wars makes another retarded choice
by LoveUniHateExams inwhat is it with disney star wars?
why is it that seemingly everything disney touches turns to shit?
what the f**k are these scooters doing in the book of boba fett?!
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MeanMrMustard
Yeah, and in the show, those scooters go as fast as a brisk walk.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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MeanMrMustard
Lloyd could have taught himself all this in about half an hour on his computer.
Yeah, but he would have to exert mastery over his penis for that 30 min, a feat he confessed as being impossible.
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Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body
by WingCommander inthis has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.
this is not a joke.
anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!
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MeanMrMustard
You can't even fathom the depths of the secrets known only to The Kerfuffles.
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1975 on the back burner
by Fisherman in“1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.
according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.
it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.
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MeanMrMustard
"... celebrated WT scholars ..."
Celebrated? Lol
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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany
by EdenOne inmass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.
at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.
single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.
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MeanMrMustard
You know how they say one way we can tell birthdays are really super evil is that bad stuff happened during the birthdays recorded in the Bible.
I wonder what we can conclude from this event........?
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How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?
by psyco ini remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.
thanks..
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MeanMrMustard
Hey MeanMrMustard, maybe the book of Jeremiah refers to two overlapping periods of 70 years ..
I see what you did there. :)
But if the 70 years (or one period of 70 years) includes defeat of Assyria, why is their no mention of Assyria in Jeremiah chapter 25. As far as I can tell no city of Assyria is even mentioned in chapter 25. Am I missing something in chapter 25 which specifically refers to Assyria?
Why should there be? I guess this gets at the main point: what is the 70 years? It's been my position that if you look specifically at what's said, just read it grammatically and accept that it's not some sort of cryptic message, then it's 70 years of Babylonian rule.
Seventy years that nations (not just Judah) will serve Babylon. Again, 29:10 - "Seventy years FOR Babylon"
Every time the 70 years is mentioned it points to Babylon, and specifically it's rule. Like Daniel said (ch 9) he may not have known the exact time the 70 years began, but he sure knew when it ended. He was looking in Jeremiah and read that when the 70 years ends, the king of Babylon would be called to account, and he just saw that happen. He probably knew it was getting close (since he had been captive for a time approaching 70 years), but he knew it was over because Jeremiah said it was 70 years for (29:10) Babylon, and when the 70 years was over Babylon fell.
If the conquest of Assyria is included in the prophecy (and pertains to the start of the the 70 year period) then why does Jeremiah 25:1 say that Jeremiah received the prophecy during the first year in which Nebuchadrezzar was king - which was about two years after Nebuchadrezzar (during the reign of his father) had conquered Assyria and thus made it a part of the Babylonian empire?
Because tthatis when he received it. Where does it say the 70 years has any connection to when Jeremiah received the prophecy? The prophecy said 70 years Babylon would subjugate plural nations, including the ones "round about". They weren't all subjugated at the same time. Some nations were made vassals years before Neb. It's still seventy years FOR Babylon.
Why does verse 9 also state it pertains to the time in which Nebuchadrezzar was king and thus after Assyria had also became a part of the empire of Babylon?
Because Neb is king during the time Judah gets its punishment. So? The 70 years is still just connected to 'nations' serving Babylon.
That is right. Since Assyria was already conquered by Babylon by the time that the book of Jeremiah says that Jeremiah received the prophecy, then that means (according to the prophecy, as recorded in the book called Jeremiah) Assyria was already a part of Babylon (that is, the Babylonian empire, Babylonia) when the prophecy was received. That is probably why Assyria is no where mentioned in chapter 25 as one of the nations which will serve Babylon - since it was already a part of Babylon/Babylonia (Babylonian empire)!
Right. But it's seventy years FOR Babylon (29:10). Part of that 70 years is what Babylon did before Neb did anything to Judah. It wasn't a terribly long time, but it was there.
Notice also that Jeremiah 25:2 itself puts the emphasis upon Judah and Jerusalem - not upon the gentile nations, yet you claim is wrong for me and others to put the emphasis on Jerusalem and the rest of Judah.
This keeps coming up: that Jeremiah "puts emphasis" on Judah. You quote it :
Jeremiah 25:2 (NWT Study Edition) says the following. "'This is what Jeremiah the prophet spoke concerning* all the people of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem:"
This is essentially my issue. The condemnation is for Judah. They are going to get punished. How? By Babylonian rule. If you take verse 2 as somehow overriding the clear language in v11, then that's the exact ungrammatical reading I'm arguing against. He said 70 years FOR Babylon, when nations (plural) serve Babylon. One of those nations is Judah. That is the judgement that concerns Judah.