Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

MeanMrMustard Jer 25:11 certainly refers to other nations who also are brought into servitude to Babylon but only for Judah that had to serve Babylon for a predetermined period of 70 years. After the 70 ended for Judah then as stated in vs 12 Babylon was to experience her judgement. The Babylonian rule or domination of Judah was to last for 70 years beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537BCE.

Pffft lol. That is some top notch trollery.

For the sake of lurkers and the like: Notice 25:11 literally says, with no ambiguity, regardless of translation used, that “these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” It does not say Judah is captive for seventy years. It does not say Judah will serve Babylon for seventy years. It says “these nations”... the ones that were explicitly listed at the beginning of the chapter. There’s no interpreting to do, nothing. Just a plain, simple statement.

25:12 is also simple. It has an order of events. First, the seventy years ends. Next, Babylon is held to account. Since Babylon was held to account in 539 BC, the seventy years ended sometime before 539. Now, I guess you could say it ended the moment just before Babylon fell - whatever that means. But one thing you can’t say is that the seventy years “for Babylon” ended in 537.

This upsets WT chronology immediately. No need to debate about tablets.

There is no need to force any other date for the fall of Jerusalem. 587 BC works just fine, no contradictions.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

@ scholar, mega troll emeritus:

MeanMrMustard It makes no difference as to whether Jer. 29:10 is translated 'for Babylon' or 'at Babylon' as the result is the same namely that the Jews remained in Babylon as Exiles for 70 years and the Jewish nation served Baylon for 70 years as Jeremiah had foretold exactly as the bible describes and in harmony with Josephus. The said scholar is no troll just ask Doug Mason. scholar

Oh yeah? Why should I ask Doug Mason? Does he have some insight into your trollery?

Come now, 25:11 says “these nations” will serve the King of Babylon for seventy years. Verse 12 sets up an ordering of events that invalidates the WT chronology, and 29:10 underscores that it’s 70 years “for Babylon”.

It makes a world of difference. It is explicitly saying that the seventy years is not Jewish captivity, rather Babylonian rule. It completely disrupts the “Bible vs Secular history” narrative coming from the WT.

This is the origination of the prophecy. The grammar is simple and plain.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

Finkelstein
What the said scholar knows is that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and not 586 or 587 BCE for the latter two years are impossible. In all of the information, you have just posted one solitary fact stands out and that is that there is no mention of the 70 years of Jeremiah which falsifies all of that information. So sad! Too bad!
scholar

@Any Lurker or questioning JW: Read Carl Jonsson’s book “The Gentile Times Reconsidered”.

I haven’t wasted much time on this topic in years because of that book. It’s just flat out the best and most thorough dissection of this topic.

However jo jo took the same course earlier in the thread that Jonsson takes in his book - the prophecy originated with Jeremiah, and the language is simple and easy to understand. Seventy years “for” Babylon. And the seventy years would end before the King of Babylon was held to account - establishing a clear order of events that can’t be reconciled with WT chronology - directly from Biblical sources.

The way scholar speaks... he (or she) does seem like a troll.

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

Dear comrade scholar marvelous sharp knowing inspired emeritus,

The said post, by which I mean the post that said you were saying, for which I am saying, unfortunately, because I said, doesn’t make much sense. Therefore, I would like to propose, by saying this about the said post, but not my said post, rather your said post: Meh

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

MeanMrmustard
Are you not pleased that you have just now learnt about the celebrated WT scholars?
scholar JW

I am pleased, comrade. These unknown, and unknowable, scholars have descended upon us, like a slow stagnant heavy fart.

The world is dying to know, are you:

scholar JW, emeritus

or

scholar, JW emeritus

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Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

by Doug Mason in

i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

(1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

MeanMrMustard

I used to love talking about this topic. It’s been years since I’ve wasted any time on it.

The celebrated WT scholars are unknown and unknowable.

whhhat.... the... fork? Was this an org phrase that I missed? Or did you make that up just now?

scholar JW emeritus

Emeritus?

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Change of Address for JWN

by truthlover123 in

i always went to this site for my info - now i had to type in jehovahs witness discussion forum and noted that various types of information are not indicated - saying not allowed.

has something changed i am not aware of or is this my imagination?.

under jwn is financial information on a specific company and now jw.org- broadcasting and home site .

MeanMrMustard

I typed in “Old women washing new cars” and it was the first search result. Give that a shot, see if it works.

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Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

by mikeflood in

former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

MeanMrMustard

Cohen's opening statement:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/27/politics/cohen-testimony-read/index.html
It's just....stunning. Can't pick just a couple of things to highlight, it's all...just, wow.
Couple of points to remember before all the "he has no credibility" comments start coming in:
it's not just his words, he has corroborating physical evidence.
At this point, his sentence cannot be shortened, only lengthened. He has no incentive to lie, and plenty of incentive to tell the truth.

I remember this! Back when the silver bullet was Cohen. Boy, they sure got Trump that time. Good times.

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Serious question!

by ZindagiNaMilegiDobaara in

jw
friends

how would you answer:.

how can you change or improve an individuals dominant mental attitude?.

zing.

MeanMrMustard

dubstepped++

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Trump Urges Ukraine and China To Investigate Joe Biden and His Son

by minimus in

jw
friends

lol, president trump is clearly putting it out that he’s not too scared of impeachment..

MeanMrMustard

I don't care about the other two guys you keep throwing out. THEY ARE NOT THE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS.

#Triggered. Wasn’t Simon just parroting what you were doing? He did that to show you can’t quite accept putting the show on the other foot, so-to-speak. Your statement

This president is a bully and the biggest liar ...

Yes, we know. He’s a poo-poo head.

...and law breaker I have ever seen.

Nope. List them out. Again, rubber meets the road here. Draft up some Articles. Present an argument that doesn’t reduce to a policy disagreement... or an orange-man-bad.

Why do you even care about this guy? Don't you live in Canada? This is my country and I have the right to believe what I want to believe and say concerning my country not yours or any other country just mine.

Maybe not Simon, but it’s my country. And you *do* have the right to believe whatever you want. And you *do* have the right to say what you want.

But, if I were a leftist, I would say that your words are a clear example of hate speech, as I see it. It’s clearly offensive and hateful, and should be prohibited.

The far right religious nuts love trump because they feel he will bring on the end of the world.

That is exactly backwards. And I’m not religious. And the “right” isn’t defined by being religious.

That's why they call him the chosen one.

No, he’s called the “chosen one” or “the god emperor” to trigger leftists. It is actually fun to see leftists freak out. It is literally a troll. It’s good for you. Maybe it will eventually sink in that you are experiencing TDS.