can anyone explain this to me??
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@millie210
The table you presented is good evidence of what Simon was talking about. This virus has been politicized so much, we can’t be sure. Nursing home scandals, rewards for covid patients, improper categorization of deaths - it’s hard to tell. But overall deaths, that tells a huge story.
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
Thank you for realizing we have achieved our single most important intention- YOU ARE FREE.
Using just our own pen and a public download - FREEDOM instantly, legally and peacefully.
I can do the same thing with a phone call. Or nothing at all. Nothing special here.
Why on earth would someone who is not one of Jehovahs Witnesses tell 3 elders anything? They are not your elders - not your church. NEVER SPEAK TO THESE A-HOLES AGAIN
Oh but wait.. YOU said that you would give them YOUR letter when you suddenly appeared on their radar. Stop dodging.
Who gives a rats ass about shunning or stupid obsessive record keepers- we've kicked them to the curb..
You do. If you didn’t care about shunning you would advise people to just call the elders and disassociate.
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
@gone for good:
The 'quiet' (unrealistic part) was intended so that liberated people could continue fading, visiting with family... until elders make trouble.This is possible without a secret letter. Many people do this every day.
Then, it's time to declare emancipation and it's also too late for elders ecclesiastic actions.
No, it is not. You are completely mistaken here. They can still remove you from their membership roles, per your wishes, and make an announcement informing members of your choice.
JWs cannot DF or DA non-members.
JWs can never DA anyone, members or non-members. Only you, the individual, can disassociate.
You are (after signing)) a non-member. (religious practice is VOLUNTARY)So? Nobody else knows. If you happen to let them know a year after signing, then they know and will adjust their records (something they can do, as it’s not an ecclesiastical activity, just records keeping).
The document is NOT a disassociation letter, it mentions no church, doesn't infringe on any churches' rights nor their ability to discipline their own members. If they self-identify with any of the repudiated hateful actions mentioned as examples, that's on them.You are claiming the letter makes you a non-member, correct? That is the basis for the elders not having any authority over you, correct? You - yourself - by signing the letter are declaring yourself a non-member. So, if you hand this declaration to any elder (whether they are being pesky or not), you are informing them of your choice to be a non-member. This is a textbook definition of disassociation. This is precisely a DA letter.
Our action was taken legally, peacefully and with the hope of broad-reaching benefits to society.
When you leave the JWs, there is a benefit. When you believe you have some magic bullet to stop shunning, it creates false hope and that is not an improvement.
No reprisal can come to a person exercising their constitutional rights.Right. So you exercise yours. They exercise theirs. Result - you are free, and you are shunned.
Let’s try to short-circuit this a bit. Forget the debate over the letter for a moment. If I were a member of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I call several elders tonight (get them all on a conference call) and say: “Hello everyone, I, MeanMrMustard, am not a member of JWs any longer. As of this moment, with all of you witnessing, I have left the organization.” Do you, @gone for good, think that the elders have a right to remove me from their roles and make an announcement about my choice?
It is going to spread - period. Virus gonna virus.
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
Go to Youtube and do a search for "Sovereign Citizen."
Suggestion: Do this in incognito mode - as it will screw up your YouTube feed for months.
wow, just watched a video from the 'world economic forum' , a respectable organization by the way, not the usual conspiracy lunatic theorist.
it says that by 2030 meat is gonna be a treat not widely available like today, that the us is not gonna be a global superpower anymore, instead a handful of countries will dominate and that people is not gonna own nothing but will be happy.. well, that would help the borg to keep the craziness going on.. thoughts?
what's this great reset?.
Yeah, it’s capitalism “reimagined” ... to serfdom.
wow, just watched a video from the 'world economic forum' , a respectable organization by the way, not the usual conspiracy lunatic theorist.
it says that by 2030 meat is gonna be a treat not widely available like today, that the us is not gonna be a global superpower anymore, instead a handful of countries will dominate and that people is not gonna own nothing but will be happy.. well, that would help the borg to keep the craziness going on.. thoughts?
what's this great reset?.
Wow, just watched a video from the 'World Economic Forum' , a respectable organization by the way, not the usual conspiracy lunatic theorist. It says that by 2030 meat is gonna be a treat not widely available like today, that the US is not gonna be a global superpower anymore, instead a handful of countries will dominate and that people is not gonna own nothing but will be happy.
There are reasons this sort of stuff doesn't work. I honestly don't know why the lesson is never learned... or at least it has to be re-taught every few generations, with the price of starvation, poverty, and death.
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
For anyone out there - if you decide to print this letter, fill in your name, sign it, date it, and keep it in a safe place for future use: Of course, nobody can stop you. Have at it. But you will find that you are like a gullible freshman showing up to the party wearing his underwear on the outside because someone told him everyone was going to be doing it, it would be fun, a great idea, and what could you lose? As you present this document, you are going to get looks of amazement and wonder. Not from your cleverness, but the same kind of looks you would get as you enter the party and everyone realizes that you actually wore your underwear on the outside. And if you keep the document for years, committing to it for years, the looks will be even more intense - like showing up to the party in only your underwear.
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
They will go on their way, ignoring your rights while demanding theirs to be expanded.
Good lord. So the idea is that you leave "secretly" via this document, you don't inform them (remember, you are keeping this document in a drawer somewhere), and you are saying if they act toward you like you are still a member, they have committed an offense against your rights?
a while back, i suggested that an easy, quick, quiet exit with the signing and dating of a concise and irrefutable document would spur faders and pimos to preempt the elders' interference by quitting quietly first , before a fade or a confrontation.
here is the document .
https://1drv.ms/w/s!avoitfxyvyqghq3gbmkhfyqp_jqp?e=8bttg1.
I thought the c-u-l-t word was banned here -deletions, banishment, beheadings -am I mistaken?
Yes, you are mistaken. The WT is a cult. You can say that here.
What lands you in trouble is if you assert someone else on the forum is in a new cult because they don't agree with your position. This has been commonly seen in topics of a political nature.
