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  Views on the golden ratio??

  by Freedom rocks in

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  what are your views on the golden ratio or fibonacci sequence?

  i know jws and some other groups use this as proof of gods existence.

  i'm still looking into the debate but was wondering what others thought.

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  MeanMrMustard

  The golden ratio is 1.618 to 1 or any two Fibonacci numbers next to each other.

  I would just like to underscore that Fibonacci numbers has very little to do with it (see the video on page 1). Start with any two positive integers that you like, the series will NOT be the Fibonacci series, but the ratio of any two consecutive numbers in the series will converge on the 1.618...

  Sample:

  Lets start the series with two numbers: 12345 and 57890. Each new number is the sum of the previous two, and we'll calculate the ratio of each pair on the series:

  n1=12345, n2=67890, and gr=5.49939246658566
  n1=67890, n2=80235, and gr=1.18183826778612
  n1=80235, n2=148125, and gr=1.84613946532062
  n1=148125, n2=228360, and gr=1.54167088607595
  n1=228360, n2=376485, and gr=1.64864687335786
  n1=376485, n2=604845, and gr=1.60655803020041
  n1=604845, n2=981330, and gr=1.62244872653324
  n1=981330, n2=1586175, and gr=1.61635229739231
  n1=1586175, n2=2567505, and gr=1.61867700600501
  n1=2567505, n2=4153680, and gr=1.61778847558233
  n1=4153680, n2=6721185, and gr=1.61812778066678
  n1=6721185, n2=10874865, and gr=1.61799816550207
  n1=10874865, n2=17596050, and gr=1.61804767231593
  n1=17596050, n2=28470915, and gr=1.61802876213696
  n1=28470915, n2=46066965, and gr=1.61803598514484
  n1=46066965, n2=74537880, and gr=1.61803322619582
  n1=74537880, n2=120604845, and gr=1.61803428001977
  n1=120604845, n2=195142725, and gr=1.61803387749472
  n1=195142725, n2=315747570, and gr=1.61803403124559
  n1=315747570, n2=510890295, and gr=1.61803397251798
  n1=510890295, n2=826637865, and gr=1.61803399494993
  n1=826637865, n2=1337528160, and gr=1.61803398638169
  n1=1337528160, n2=2164166025, and gr=1.61803398965447
  n1=2164166025, n2=3501694185, and gr=1.61803398840438
  n1=3501694185, n2=5665860210, and gr=1.61803398888187
  n1=5665860210, n2=9167554395, and gr=1.61803398869948
  n1=9167554395, n2=14833414605, and gr=1.61803398876915
  n1=14833414605, n2=24000969000, and gr=1.61803398874254
  n1=24000969000, n2=38834383605, and gr=1.6180339887527
  n1=38834383605, n2=62835352605, and gr=1.61803398874882
  n1=62835352605, n2=101669736210, and gr=1.6180339887503
  n1=101669736210, n2=164505088815, and gr=1.61803398874974
  n1=164505088815, n2=266174825025, and gr=1.61803398874995
  n1=266174825025, n2=430679913840, and gr=1.61803398874987
  n1=430679913840, n2=696854738865, and gr=1.6180339887499
  n1=696854738865, n2=1127534652705, and gr=1.61803398874989
  n1=1127534652705, n2=1824389391570, and gr=1.6180339887499
  n1=1824389391570, n2=2951924044275, and gr=1.61803398874989
  n1=2951924044275, n2=4776313435845, and gr=1.6180339887499
  n1=4776313435845, n2=7728237480120, and gr=1.61803398874989
  n1=7728237480120, n2=12504550915965, and gr=1.61803398874989
  n1=12504550915965, n2=20232788396085, and gr=1.61803398874989
  
  

  The numbers above (n1, n2) are NOT Fibonacci numbers. It's just a property of the series (the next number is the sum of the previous two).

  Another poster mentioned that if you have a piece of paper in the 1 : 1.618 proportion and then fold it in half, you get the same proportion. Yep. If you look at the video on p1, the "golden ratio" is exactly this:

  [1 + sqrt(5)] / 2

  Now, imagine a piece of paper in this exact ratio. If you half the largest side, and then take the ratio again, taking the reciprocal of the fraction (because the previous shorter end is now the longer end), you end up with:

  4/ [1 + sqrt(5)]

  or 1.2360679774997896964091736687313

  To check this in practice, I modified the above test to take the "halfing ratio", and here is what you come out with:

  n1=12345, n2=67890, and gr=5.49939246658566, half ratio: 0.363676535572249.
  n1=67890, n2=80235, and gr=1.18183826778612, half ratio: 1.69227893064124.
  n1=80235, n2=148125, and gr=1.84613946532062, half ratio: 1.0833417721519.
  n1=148125, n2=228360, and gr=1.54167088607595, half ratio: 1.29729374671571.
  n1=228360, n2=376485, and gr=1.64864687335786, half ratio: 1.21311606040081.
  n1=376485, n2=604845, and gr=1.60655803020041, half ratio: 1.24489745306649.
  n1=604845, n2=981330, and gr=1.62244872653324, half ratio: 1.23270459478463.
  n1=981330, n2=1586175, and gr=1.61635229739231, half ratio: 1.23735401201002.
  n1=1586175, n2=2567505, and gr=1.61867700600501, half ratio: 1.23557695116465.
  n1=2567505, n2=4153680, and gr=1.61778847558233, half ratio: 1.23625556133356.
  n1=4153680, n2=6721185, and gr=1.61812778066678, half ratio: 1.23599633100413.
  n1=6721185, n2=10874865, and gr=1.61799816550207, half ratio: 1.23609534463186.
  n1=10874865, n2=17596050, and gr=1.61804767231593, half ratio: 1.23605752427391.
  n1=17596050, n2=28470915, and gr=1.61802876213696, half ratio: 1.23607197028968.
  n1=28470915, n2=46066965, and gr=1.61803598514484, half ratio: 1.23606645239164.
  n1=46066965, n2=74537880, and gr=1.61803322619582, half ratio: 1.23606856003954.
  n1=74537880, n2=120604845, and gr=1.61803428001977, half ratio: 1.23606775498944.
  n1=120604845, n2=195142725, and gr=1.61803387749472, half ratio: 1.23606806249118.
  n1=195142725, n2=315747570, and gr=1.61803403124559, half ratio: 1.23606794503597.
  n1=315747570, n2=510890295, and gr=1.61803397251798, half ratio: 1.23606798989987.
  n1=510890295, n2=826637865, and gr=1.61803399494993, half ratio: 1.23606797276338.
  n1=826637865, n2=1337528160, and gr=1.61803398638169, half ratio: 1.23606797930894.
  n1=1337528160, n2=2164166025, and gr=1.61803398965447, half ratio: 1.23606797680876.
  n1=2164166025, n2=3501694185, and gr=1.61803398840438, half ratio: 1.23606797776374.
  n1=3501694185, n2=5665860210, and gr=1.61803398888187, half ratio: 1.23606797739897.
  n1=5665860210, n2=9167554395, and gr=1.61803398869948, half ratio: 1.2360679775383.
  n1=9167554395, n2=14833414605, and gr=1.61803398876915, half ratio: 1.23606797748508.
  n1=14833414605, n2=24000969000, and gr=1.61803398874254, half ratio: 1.23606797750541.
  n1=24000969000, n2=38834383605, and gr=1.6180339887527, half ratio: 1.23606797749764.
  n1=38834383605, n2=62835352605, and gr=1.61803398874882, half ratio: 1.23606797750061.
  n1=62835352605, n2=101669736210, and gr=1.6180339887503, half ratio: 1.23606797749948.
  n1=101669736210, n2=164505088815, and gr=1.61803398874974, half ratio: 1.23606797749991.
  n1=164505088815, n2=266174825025, and gr=1.61803398874995, half ratio: 1.23606797749974.
  n1=266174825025, n2=430679913840, and gr=1.61803398874987, half ratio: 1.23606797749981.
  n1=430679913840, n2=696854738865, and gr=1.6180339887499, half ratio: 1.23606797749978.
  n1=696854738865, n2=1127534652705, and gr=1.61803398874989, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=1127534652705, n2=1824389391570, and gr=1.6180339887499, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=1824389391570, n2=2951924044275, and gr=1.61803398874989, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=2951924044275, n2=4776313435845, and gr=1.6180339887499, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=4776313435845, n2=7728237480120, and gr=1.61803398874989, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=7728237480120, n2=12504550915965, and gr=1.61803398874989, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  n1=12504550915965, n2=20232788396085, and gr=1.61803398874989, half ratio: 1.23606797749979.
  

  In summary, if a piece of paper is in the golden ratio, and you half it, then it is no longer in the golden ratio. Sorry.

  I still don't see what the big deal is with this ratio. You are just noticing a pattern in mathematics. That is like saying: "I think it is amazing that a flower grew in a field of flowers."
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  Women and Children First Still!

  by Charles Gillette in

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  at a time when women fly combat aircraft, when they are grant equality in education,in employment,in government,in athletics,etc.

  what entitles women to the status of children still?.

  women and children first when it comes to emergency situations.

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  MeanMrMustard

  It is a biological strategy. If the eggs die, the tribe ceases to exist. Men are expendable in emergencies.
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  Views on the golden ratio??

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  what are your views on the golden ratio or fibonacci sequence?

  i know jws and some other groups use this as proof of gods existence.

  i'm still looking into the debate but was wondering what others thought.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Meh. It's just a pattern. Follow the math here. It is generalized to *any* series where the next number is the sum of the previous two:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTWKKvlZB08

  What this means is: pick any two positive integers, any. Use those numbers to start the series. Calculate the ratio of n / n-1, and it will converge to the golden ratio each time.
  

  In other words, there's nothing special about Fibonacci numbers - it is just the pattern it makes as you calculate the ratio of the the nth number and the one before it. There are other series as well, sum of squares, etc. They all make patterns.

  The mistake is thinking the patterns imply God.
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  11 new things made illegal in a relationship

  by Amelia Ashton in

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  i was subjected to more than one of these whilst married.

  a partner should be treated as an equal.

  i wonder how that will work out in a jw household?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  https://youtu.be/WwRrKaq0IyY

  The woman in this video would leave to jail for up to five years. Lol.
  
  
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  11 new things made illegal in a relationship

  by Amelia Ashton in

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  i was subjected to more than one of these whilst married.

  a partner should be treated as an equal.

  i wonder how that will work out in a jw household?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  LMAO. I need some popcorn. All of these laws, no doubt, were written with men in mind. Of course, because women are sugar and spice. But pretty much all of these things I would say women do much more than men. It’s going to be turned around on women at some point, and that will be hilarious.

  Its basically illegal to cheat. Good lord. Good lord.
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  Liberal vs. Democrat in the U.S.A.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  it seems that many believe that a liberal in the usa must be a democrat, pretty much following the party core teachings and some even think it means approving the party history of, during the 19th century, supporting or tolerated slavery and opposing civil rights reforms after the civil war.

  some even insist that a liberal loves anything and everything obama did..

  balderdash!!.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Time to poke the bear:

  https://youtu.be/j92i1F-o3Pk

  ...
  
  
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  Liberal vs. Democrat in the U.S.A.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  it seems that many believe that a liberal in the usa must be a democrat, pretty much following the party core teachings and some even think it means approving the party history of, during the 19th century, supporting or tolerated slavery and opposing civil rights reforms after the civil war.

  some even insist that a liberal loves anything and everything obama did..

  balderdash!!.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @Apostate Anonymous:

  Right, but you understand my irritation?

  Goes something like this:

  “Trump is a nationalist, and you support him?”

  “Yes, he is, and I voted for him.”

  “You fascist, racist bastard!”

  “Wait, what? Nationalism is bad?”

  “Yeah... hello, Nazis!! You said it, Trump is a nationalist, just like all the racists are.”

  *face palm*
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  Liberal vs. Democrat in the U.S.A.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  it seems that many believe that a liberal in the usa must be a democrat, pretty much following the party core teachings and some even think it means approving the party history of, during the 19th century, supporting or tolerated slavery and opposing civil rights reforms after the civil war.

  some even insist that a liberal loves anything and everything obama did..

  balderdash!!.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Define “white nationalist”.

  A nationalist is someone who wishes political independence for his/her country - being concerned with his/her country as a citizen, as opposed to other countries in which the person is NOT a citizen.

  A white nationalist, hopefully, is not much different than a black nationalist; just different skin color.

  But I have a sneaking suspicion it’s not like that, right? These are the word games.
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  Liberal vs. Democrat in the U.S.A.

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  it seems that many believe that a liberal in the usa must be a democrat, pretty much following the party core teachings and some even think it means approving the party history of, during the 19th century, supporting or tolerated slavery and opposing civil rights reforms after the civil war.

  some even insist that a liberal loves anything and everything obama did..

  balderdash!!.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @OTWO:

  I know you said you didn’t want to discuss each topic, but you did mention generally:

  I believe in socialist policies on schools and healthcare and an equalizing in both areas.

  And this:

  Mainly, I am a liberal because I believe that laws and budgets should put people first.

  And this:

  Socialism has not worked in the world because true socialism has not existed. In current socialisms, some people are more "equal" than others.

  Socialism will never work, no matter how it is tried. Prices, profits, losses, entrepreneurship, and interest rates all perform very important functions. The extent to which those mechanisms are undermined is the extent to which you end up with the effects you decry.

  I think your post is a good one - but consider that I do believe you when you say you want people put first. I believe that you want to help people. But also consider that if someone in the right disagrees with you, they don’t mean to imply they are against people raising their standard of living.

  To put it more concisely: I believe the economic effects of policies you favor will, in fact, undermine the same effects you wish those policies to accomplish.

  Socialism can’t calculate. And half socialist programs can calculate better, but not great:

  https://youtu.be/alqUqdbfxhk
  
  
  
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  Why our IQ levels are higher than our grandparents'

  by frankiespeakin in

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpqilhw9ui.

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  @humbled:

  Here it is:

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6290891422564352/does-anyone-know-this-guy-agree-his-statements-on-racial-differences-iq
  

  It started in some other thread and degraded into another claim of racism. This OPs video was referenced in here too, including an interview with the same man that was the topic of the above thread.

  I actually spent a while looking into it, and it rubbed me the wrong way to hear racism brought into it. In the end, I found a video of Sam Harris on the same topic.