Posts by ABibleStudent

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"What exactly is his world view? from Cofty I see nothing but, anti-life, anti-love, anti-hope"

by cofty in

villagegirl's question on another thread was probably supposed to be rhetorical but i want to respond to it.. many times people of faith express similar misapprehensions about those who don't share their views on eternity.. i want this to be a positive thread.

an opportunity for atheists to share what moves and inspires them.

what do you live for, what gives your life meaning and purpose?

ABibleStudent

Hi cofty, Life is too short and too wonderful to agrue what cannot presently be proven (not to be confused with respectfully exchanging ideas) nor to judge others by my standards. I'm a Christian so I prefer to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and let everyone else live their life the way that they want as long as they do no harm to others.

Having stated that I do have my pet peeves such as the WTBTS's leadership using BITE control techniques to victimize JWs, bigotry, hipocrisy, lying, stealling, etc.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

P.S. - Any new developments with your health? I hope that you are over the worst of it.

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How to Plant Ideas in Someone's Mind

by chrisuk in

hi guys,.

i came across an article on lifehacker.com and it got me thinking that this is exactly what the wts do to jw's.

here's a quote from the article:.

ABibleStudent

Hi chrisuk, I feel that manipulation is evil if it benefits only you at the expense of the person who is being manipulated.

Helping people to critically think for themselves cannot be manipulative most of the time because it also benefits the person who you are helping. The only time that I might not help someone to critically think for themselves is when they are too old and the potential sorrow would outweight the potential benefit to them.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Big thanks to everyone

by joe134cd in

i can't believe in the short time that i have been visiting ex-jw forums at just how much i have grown.

since i first stumbled on this site i have stopped going to the meetings.

i do feel a bit lonely, but am trying to manage it.

ABibleStudent

Hi joe134cd, What do you like to do? Have you visited www.meetup.com to locate groups near you that you may share common interests or searched the internet for activities near you. Have you booked yourself on a vacation to a Club Med or a cruise? Go out and have some fun, unless you like beating yourself up.

If you haven't read Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visited his website www.freedomofmind.com, or watched videos on this website, you should. Steve Hassan writes about how people can be psychologically influenced. BITE control methods are more powerful than I first thought.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Letting go of trying to convince people makes you happy

by DeWandelaar in

i am a thinker... and i was thinking a lot lately about (the absense of) god and about my past years as a witness and suddenly it striked me: the less i think about a caring god being in existence the more happy and relaxed i am.

also the fact that if he is there then i will notice it one day... i am not afraid of anything godlike in any way.

while exploring that feeling i was also noticing something.

ABibleStudent

Congrats DeWandelaar being free to live your life the way you want (hopefully without hurting other people).

On the other hand reverse-witnessing to younger JWs to critically think for themselves is a worthy endeavor.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I'm Taking A "Newly Interested One" To Her First Meeting

by Zandor in

jw
friends

i've been out of the organization for quite a number of years, and still feel that uneasy feeling that was washed into every cell of my being by wt indoctrination since birth.

never seems to go away completely, does it?.

i use to feel the need to talk about my experience in the organization to others, to worldlies, and they never quite seem to understand.

ABibleStudent

Hi Zandor, If you go to a KH where no one knows you, I hope that you and your friend enjoy the love bombing and JWs regurgitating answers from the Watchtower. If you go to a KH where many JWs know you, I hope that you and your friend enjoy the love-shunning and JWs regurgatating answers from the Watchtower.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I messed up again... Opened my mouth... oh well, we'll see where the cards end

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

so i hadn't talked to my friends on facebook for a while because i had been too busy on my page (now two pages) and my job, and my girlfriend.

so i go on my fb account yesterday and i start talking to a "bible study" i had had while in mexico... after learning ttatt, i have dreamed of ways to tell him and his family to stay away from jw's, but i hadn't had the courage to do so because of a) wanting to get my family awakened first, and b) noticing the horribly bad reaction of the very few people i have actually talked to (three persons).... but anyways, i felt the need to tell him, the "bible study"... he is around 15. his mom was inactive for many years until we found her in "service" and then we started her on a study and she came back... at the time, i thought i was doing a correct thing, if i had known ttatt, no way in hell i would have done that.

now it hurts my conscience, although to my credit, i had no idea of ttatt.. so his mom, him, his brother and sister are all in some way or another associating with jw's.. i wasn't intending to talk to him about ttatt, it just happened.... yesterday we started a conversation (a is him, b is me):.

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, Have you ever wondered why the WTBTS has spent a lot of effort in creating the Jehovah brand? To be a Christian a person is suppose to be a follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings and thus have a closer relationship with God. By creating the Jehovah brand the WTBTS has created a bait and switch. The WTBTS promotes that it has bible "Truths" and switches from following Jesus Christ to Jehovah and by extension the WTBTS. All a person has to do is read WTBTS propaganda to realize that the WTBTS is trying to diminish the importance of Jesus Chirst and elevate the importance of the WTBTS/GB and reading its propaganda instead of the Bible.

From my little exposure to JWs and reading Steve Hassan's "Combatting Cult Mind Control", it appears to me that when the WTBTS uses the word "Jehovah" they could be refering to God, God's Organization, and/or the GB, but they are definately not refering to Jesus Christ nor the Holy Spirit. Cult Speak is a very powerful tool according to the BITE model and the WTBTS has perfected Cult Speak by creating the Jehovah brand.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Maybe I'm the bad guy after all

by braincleaned in

maybe i'm the bad guy after all.

my mom and sis love me and still talk to me, although i'm clearly an apostate.

their loophole?

ABibleStudent

Hi braincleaned, If JWN is a support forum, why not vent away and discount comments by those individuals who are not in the same emotional place as you are. What is important is what you learn from your own venting.

Also, as long as your JW family are not shunning you, be HAPPY!! Live your life the way that you want as long as you do not hurt anyone else. How you live your life will probably have the biggest impact on your family. As long as you are happy and successful, your JW family may start to wonder way and start asking you questions. Unconditiaonl love goes both ways in accepting others and their actions.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Awake JWs: any ideas on subliminally sharing TTATT?

by Island Man in

let me share one possible way:.

say you're out in the ministry with another asleep jw and it's your turn to speak to the householder.

you can steer the conversation in such a way that you can talk about the pharisees' unreasonable interpretation of the sabbath law and how it was contrary to what god intended.

ABibleStudent

Invite JWs to do something fun or to get involved in time consuming hobbies where they can meet non-JWs who they might share common interests. Show JWs how to search for bargins and discount hotels on the internet. Show JWs how to search for information on www.jw.org and maybe there search will also show them links to websites like JWN, www.jwfacts.com, etc. WTBTS's BITE control requires that JWs be constantly fed with WTBTS propaganda and attending meetings.

Learn about Steve Hassan's BITE control techniques and show JWs how Pharisees, Sadducces, Scientologist, Moonies, Mormons, etc. can be classified as dangerous cults that victimize their members. BITE control techniques are used to extract money from members for the dangerous cult/organization.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I messed up again... Opened my mouth... oh well, we'll see where the cards end

by ILoveTTATT in

jw
friends

so i hadn't talked to my friends on facebook for a while because i had been too busy on my page (now two pages) and my job, and my girlfriend.

so i go on my fb account yesterday and i start talking to a "bible study" i had had while in mexico... after learning ttatt, i have dreamed of ways to tell him and his family to stay away from jw's, but i hadn't had the courage to do so because of a) wanting to get my family awakened first, and b) noticing the horribly bad reaction of the very few people i have actually talked to (three persons).... but anyways, i felt the need to tell him, the "bible study"... he is around 15. his mom was inactive for many years until we found her in "service" and then we started her on a study and she came back... at the time, i thought i was doing a correct thing, if i had known ttatt, no way in hell i would have done that.

now it hurts my conscience, although to my credit, i had no idea of ttatt.. so his mom, him, his brother and sister are all in some way or another associating with jw's.. i wasn't intending to talk to him about ttatt, it just happened.... yesterday we started a conversation (a is him, b is me):.

ABibleStudent

Hi ILoveTTATT, Do you know about this webpage on http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/pamphlet.php#L2 which is in Spanish? Would it help your friend to support what you have told him?

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Ran into a witnessing table at the park today

by confusedandalone in

i just got in from my daughters homecoming(she is a cheerleader and these guys make a huge deal out of this stuff).

they play 3 football games of various age groups.

it starts at 8 in the morning and just ended at 1:30. i just got in the house literally 5 minutes ago and i had to share.

ABibleStudent

Unbelievable photos confusedandalone. No body who wants to interact with people would position their table the way that they did. If they want to engage with people they would have placed the table facing the parking lot/ballpark and parallel and closer to the sidewalk.

I wish that more ex-JWs would walk up and reverse witness those types of JWs. It would be like shooting fish in a barrel. If enough ex-JWs asked them simple questions or inserted website labels like www.jwfacts.com in the propaganda, more JWs would start to leave the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert