Hi Mulan,
I know of an 18 year old DF'd girl, from my former hall , who died in an auto accident. I heard it was in Jehovah's hands . They had found her diary and she apparently was thinking about going back. The memorial service was not at the hall but at the mortuary. I remember thinking it was a warmer and more personal service than any I had heard at the Kingdom Hall.
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by Mulan inwhat is the wts's current view on resurrection of disfellowshipped people?
a few years ago, an older sister's df'd son died of aids in sf.
when she and her unbeliever husband returned from the funeral, she said "he is in jehovah's hands.
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Hi Everyone,
I'm from Parker, Colorado.
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a woman's right to choose.....
by peaceloveharmony inhey everyone, i was hesitant to post this article i read because abortion debates can turn so ugly so fast.
so i thought about it for and decided i should post it because it is important for those of us who value the right the choose to be aware of what that really means here in the us.
this article is from the weekly alternative newspaper here in the minneapolis/st.
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Hi Harmony,
I haven't made up my mind about wether I have the right to tell and force my beliefs upon anyone concerning abortion.
From a personla viewpoint, i believe it is unquestionably WRONG. I had an abortion many years ago. It's painful to live with still. I was not raped. I had the abortion because the guy I was dating decided he liked someone else and broke up with me. All the sudden reality hit home. At first I was delited that I was going to have a baby and then when I realized prince charming was a frog and I was going to have to go on welfare, I felt suicidal. I had a cocaine addiction and was an emotional mess. Looking back on it, abortion was a tidy way of getting myself out of a bad situation I had put myself into. BUT the GUILT is always there. Education wasn't the key for me. I had been on the pill and stopped. I knew how to avoid pregnancy. Perhaps education on NOT BEING self centered and selfish would be more appropriate. jurs -
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I am new here!!!
by Sarah ini have been reading post after post since january, (when my husband and i quit going to the meetings), just now getting up the nerve to say anything.
you people scare me!!!
there are some intense messages on here.
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I just wanted to add that the posters scared me too when I first came here !!! I was a little freaked out that I was talking to those "evil apostates." The foul language ect. at first affimed that these people really are BAD. Now i see them as people just like myself. Some are angry, hurt, bewildered, devastated ect. The one thing we have in common is that we have all been duped by a religion that we once believed in whole souled !!! Its nice to have a place to come to where people really know what we are going through.
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I am new here!!!
by Sarah ini have been reading post after post since january, (when my husband and i quit going to the meetings), just now getting up the nerve to say anything.
you people scare me!!!
there are some intense messages on here.
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Welcome Sarah,
I had my tubes tied 1 year after I was baptized. I didn't know it was wrong, by watch tower standards, until 2 years later. I never went to the elders about it but I did mention it to several sisters. Nothing came of it.
I also had eyeliner tatoo done. I told several sisters who wanted to know who did it because they liked it!!!
I bring up the eyeliner tatoo because I know a sad story over something so ridiculous . A girl ,17, in a different hall than mine, had eyeliner tatoo applied. She was also dressing a little to sexy. She started wearing a little too much makeup as well. Her Dad was an elder. Loving brothers and sisters in this hall started talking about her viciously. They started calling her a WITCH !!!! I am not kidding. I use to go to this hall, in Longmont, Colorado. I heard from several people about what happened to this poor kid so I believe it to be true. She was not DF'd but had an elder even call her a witch. She was shunned. She told her mom she now knew what a DF'd person felt like. It was so bad that her Dad stepped down (aside) from being an elder and the family quit going to meetings at that hall. they switched to a different hall, ( because Jah's holy spirit wasn't at that hall. ) The girl no longer goes to meetings.
Glad your here, Sarah.
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How Should I Do This?
by Wolfy inokay....in a few weeks we(wife & kids) are going to visit my parents.
they have been jw's for a long time.... a little back-ground info...a couple of years ago i said the hell with being a jw..grew a goatee (wife said it made me look evil..:) and wanted nothing at all to do with being a jw..elders actually left me alone for the most part...talked to my parents...my mother kinda freaked but my dad said basically that he understood and that i gotta do what i gotta do ..said if he could help i could call...cool.
i have changed alot in that couple of years on the inside..how i feel and think...i am re-examining everything related to jw's and have found many very disturbing facts..i want to talk to my parents about them but i am not sure how to go about it...my mother is the emotional type..doesn't get to deep if you understand my meaning...my dad on the other hand was an elder for many years and is an analitical type person...very down-to-earth.....anyways...does anyone have any suggestions how i can talk to them about what i have found out without them freaking out and calling me apostate?.
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hi wolfy,
i am not sure how you should go about this either, but here are a few ideas. go about it slowly. maybe 1 or 2 points at a time. i would also start with just your dad. really know your information , do your homework, and also know what the JW response will be. Blow the dust off your reasoning book because it will help you know the jist of how he might respond. try not to get emotional. Be courteous and LISTEN to him as well. if the conversation starts to take a turn for the worst drop the subject. Try to find common ground. you grew up a JW. use your training !!!! Good Luck....jurs -
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My apeal of disfellowshiping letter
by D wiltshire inthe first question is:.
i ask you would paul even think of doing such as thing as the wt has done here?????
i asked them not to keep double-talking me but to just come out and say what the charges are.
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BRAVO !!!!!!!
I loved your including the baptismal questions !!! powerful stuff. when i read the second question about being baptized in the name of the org., it just hit me how wrong that is.
i loved how you sat in the front row .
David, when you look in the mirror , you'll see a man of courage, who stood up for Truth !!! Jesus didn't cower and hide. I am so proud of you. It takes guts to do what you did, but it feels great , doesn't it ???? It is the most incredible feeling to be able to stand up and speak out. The reward is respect for yourself as well as hopefully helping someone else.
Take care
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To Lauralisa
by OrangeBlossom inwelcome to the board, lauralisa.. you've been through so much and i'm glad you found us.
you mentioned that your husband got custody or your children.
did you get them back after you left the borg?
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once again i apologize for my posting. i hit send without proof reading. i hope u can make sense out of what i wrote. jurs
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To Lauralisa
by OrangeBlossom inwelcome to the board, lauralisa.. you've been through so much and i'm glad you found us.
you mentioned that your husband got custody or your children.
did you get them back after you left the borg?
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hi and welcome its my life !!!
Lauralisa, glad your out of those toxic relationships!!!
i wonder if people who get suckered to come in through the D2D work are ones predisposed to abuse. i grew up in a dysfunctional family (my mom is mentally ill). a crazy upbringing !!!! i married an abusive man. when the JW's showed up they seemed so perfect. i wanted a leave it to beaver family and they had info on how i could have a "happy family life". Bull Crap!!!
any how my point is , JW's seem to only convert people when they are in a fragile state.
Lauralisa u said you cannot disavow the docternal issues. why not??? my advice to u is RESEARCH the org. on the net there are countless sources. read up !! crisis of concience by ray franz is excellent.. THE GREATEST HEALING for me was to see the org is not the true religion. at first i was afraid to research because i thought i might find out they really are. i didn't want any more guilt. but then i changed my mind and went for it. its devasting to have your spiritual foundation ripped out from underneath u. everything u thought u knew , you no longer are sure of. BUT then tears of joy. i then felt ELATED that this wasn't Jah's org , in fact they are much like the Pharisees. i love math 11:28. its beautiful.
i worship Jah by reading my bible without watchtower bible aids. i PRAY, I love Jah with my whole heart soul and mind and i love my neighbor as my self. i won't shun them even if they shun me. i've gone to the methodist church twice. i want to participate in communion. i chose that church because the pastor studied with witnesses before she became a pastor. everyone can participate in communion, u don't have to be a member. but mostly i go ther because it seems like a NORMAL church. i don't think it matters where people go or even if they do go to a organized religion. jurs -
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How many things can you get DF'd for?
by D wiltshire inplease list:.
how many things can you get df'd for ?.
what are so of the weird ones you have heard about?
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i wonder if a sister could get DF'd for refusing to wear a dress ?
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