Posts by jst2laws

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Personal "God" and self-representation

by Narkissos in

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it is commonly assumed that monotheism, in its jewish, christian and moslem forms, resulted in (or was related to) a specific development of human self-representation.

before a unique creator and judge the individual had to stand as an indivisible unit (e.g.

the "soul" in the middle ages) which was either justified or condemned, either saved or lost.

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Narkissos,

Is there a "mind" without "thinking"?

I'm not as far along on this as others but I will give you my take. Refering to the word "thinking" and stopping it, to me, simply means the automatic programs, all the computing process that are going on like the 20 to 50 applications running in backround on your computer at this moment. They are controling your computer more than your input through the key board.

By shutting down thinking that is eating up your mental processor time, you take over the mind. Now you have all the resources at your control to percieve what your thinking mind was too busy to pay attention to. If that sounds too much like JT, try stopping your mind once and see how hard it is to control the processes. It takes a lot of practice. That's the stage I'm at.

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Personal "God" and self-representation

by Narkissos in

jw
friends

it is commonly assumed that monotheism, in its jewish, christian and moslem forms, resulted in (or was related to) a specific development of human self-representation.

before a unique creator and judge the individual had to stand as an indivisible unit (e.g.

the "soul" in the middle ages) which was either justified or condemned, either saved or lost.

jst2laws

Narkissos

Karen Armstrong give an interesting history of mans spiritual evolution, even suggesting why cultures change their perspective of God. She worked from two anchoring premises:

1 In the beginning, Man created God.
2 When our religion no longer "works for us, we change it".

The later would agree with JamesThomas, that we change, we grow up in our human consciousness, and no longer need the former concept of god. Then we take the next step, philosopize a new deity that fits us.

Zen,

in Acts 17:28 paul quotes a pagan pantheist who seems to sum it up nicely
in HIM we live and move and have our being

You made me look it up. Barnes says:

sentiment is found in Plautus (5, 4,14): "O Jupiter, who dost cherish and nourish the race of man; by whom we live, and with whom is the hope of the life of all men" (Kuinoel)

Also

For we are also his offspring -

This precise expression is found in Aratus ("Phaenom.," v. 5), and in Cleanthus in a hymn to Jupiter

As a JW I read those scripts and thought, what a coincidence, Paul found some Greek poets who agreed with divine truth. Now, with a broader perspective, Paul's comments in I Tim 3 about "all scripture" being inspired results in a new perspective on what he meant by "scripture" as well as what he meant by "inspired", especially considering there was NO new testament when he made the comment.

Thanks for the lead, Zen.

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Original MEPS Computer System

by VM44 in

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wow!

anyone know the tech specs for it?

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Specs?

Well, the five and a quarter floppy diskett setting on top held a wopping 360 k. Thats about one jpeg pic shruck for internet display

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Liquid water found on Mars!!!

by The Chuckler in

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according to this nasa sponsored website, liquid water has been found mars - photographic evidence here : .

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http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

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Does anyone Love Jehovah anymore?

by defd in

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i know people have left for people issues but what about jehovah god and jesus?

what have they done?.

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Defd,

Leaving the WT does not have to translate to leaving God. While some become angry with God when they find out they have been decieved by men I suspect most work those feeling out eventually

What happens to many, however, is their investigation into truth that lead to leaving the WT does not end with the step. There is much to learn about the "Jehovah" concept even from Jesus' comments. If "Jehovah of Armies" was the god Jesus wanted us to relate to it seems he would have used the name at least a few times in his preaching. But instead he spoke of a "loving father", no name. (Watchtower added the name Jehovah to the new testament in the NWT)

There is much to investigate. Meanwhile, your beliefs are valid. I hope we have all learned to stop judging others for their beliefs.

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Conference in Seattle, poster to give presentation

by jst2laws in

i had not intended to promote the next northwest bible conference

but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if i would be in washingtom again for this conference.

so this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in physics.

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Honesty,

lol, This is the second set of debates on this subject (first set last fall in Wenachee WA). I reviewed the DVD today and it was not a convincing defence. But Christianity has the same difficulty unless they divorce themselves from the 'Jehovah of armies' of the Hebrew scriptures. Johnson carefully avoided the old testament last debate, which I think is fair. Jesus only used the Hebrew scripts to give validity to his new teaching, that God was a "loving father". TOTALLY NEW CONCEPT to the warring Jews of his time.

The problem is fundamentalist of all groups; Christian, Judaic and Islamic. That and taking any "holy writings" LITERALLY. The two add up to hatred and violence, in all three religions.

Remove those two factors and add the mysterious new findings of sub-atomic physics and you have new spiritual science emerging.

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Conference in Seattle, poster to give presentation

by jst2laws in

i had not intended to promote the next northwest bible conference

but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if i would be in washingtom again for this conference.

so this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in physics.

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Candidlynuts,

is this stuff like that movie i watched the other night? what the bleep do we know?

Definitely! The first good movie of this sort I saw was "Mind Walk" put out in about 1992. It was based on a book by Fritof Capra called the "Toa of Physics", a must read. He is a

What The Bleep do we Know is a great work too. The only difference is Capra is a theoretical scientist and sticks to science where What the Bleep added a small percentage of New Age/metaphysics stuff. However, both these movies give a better picture of real science, specifically quantum physics, then is taught in today?s high schools and some colleges. What they learned 80 years ago about the nature of reality from going inside the atom is so spooky it is still avoided by modern text books.

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Conference in Seattle, poster to give presentation

by jst2laws in

i had not intended to promote the next northwest bible conference

but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if i would be in washingtom again for this conference.

so this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in physics.

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I forgot to say the Friday afternoon session is a reverse of the Thursday session

2:00 - 2:45 Bill Williams & Dr. Said debate ?The perception that Christianity is a Violent Religion "

3:00 - 3:45 Bill Williams & Dr. Said debate ?The perception that Christianity is a Violent Religion"

Christianity's turn to be examined.

Chris,

I have been practicing "Affective fruit dodging". But they didn't throw any last time,

They were very receptive last time and to my surprise invited me back for this one. I have to admit it is fun to finally give a talk on any subject you choose and say what you want.

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Conference in Seattle, poster to give presentation

by jst2laws in

i had not intended to promote the next northwest bible conference

but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if i would be in washingtom again for this conference.

so this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in physics.

jst2laws

FMZ, Brenda and Brummie,

Yes, they tape it. It will be available on audio tape, VHS and DVD.

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Conference in Seattle, poster to give presentation

by jst2laws in

i had not intended to promote the next northwest bible conference

but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if i would be in washingtom again for this conference.

so this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in physics.

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I had not intended to promote the next NORTHWEST BIBLE CONFERENCE but have received some messages from friends who wanted to know if I would be in Washingtom again for this conference. So this will have limited interests unless you just happen to know me, you live in the Seattle area and have nothing to do, or you have a peculiar interest in Physics. I have included a couple of sessions in which others may be interested. My presentation is on Saturday at 1:00 p.m.

78th NORTHWEST BIBLE CONFERENCE March 31 ? April 2, 2001

Thursday ? March 31

3:00 - 3:45 Ralph Johnson & Dr. Said debate The Perception that Islam is a Violent Religion

4:00 - 4:45 Ralph Johnson & Dr. Said debate The Perception that Islam is a Violent Religion

Saturday ? April 2

1:00 - 1:45 Steve Imhof The Weird World of Quantum Physics and the Kingdom of the Heavens

LOCATION

Glen Acres Church of Christ
11435 10 th Ave. S

Seattle, Washington 98168

Phone 206-244-7984 (home)

206-243-8575 (church)

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