Posts by Mary

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

Mary

Celestial said: This is dumb. I've never believed something like this, that God condemns people to Armageddon if you make a mistake

You're right, this is dumb and apparently you haven't been 'paying close attention', because this is exactly what the Organization teaches:

Questions from Readers:
"In view of the seriousness of taking blood into the human system by a transfusion, would violation of the Holy Scriptures in this regard subject the dedicated, baptized receiver of blood transfusion to being disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation?" "The inspired Holy Scriptures answer yes."--- Watchtower , January 15, 1961 , p. 63
"They know that if they violate God's law on blood and the child dies in the process, they have endangered that child's opportunity for everlasting life in God's new world......it may result in the immediate and very temporary prolongation of life, but that at the cost of eternal life for a dedicated Christian."---- Blood, Medicine, and the Law of God, p.54

Any part of that you don't get?

So no rule requiring parents to shun their children. If so why am I being shunned by my parents?

Egghead was actually dumb enough to say: I don't know. You will have to ask your parents. There is no rule.

Another braindead comment from a braindead Dub who also isn't paying close attention to the very doctrines he defends: No rule eh?

"...After hearing a talk at a circuit assembly, a brother and his fleshly sister realized that they needed to make adjustments in the way they treated their mother, who lived elsewhere and who had been disfellowshipped for six years. Immediately after the assembly, the man called his mother, and after assuring her of their love, he explained that they could no longer talk to her unless there were important family matters requiring contact." -----Kingdom Ministry Aug 2002 p.3
"...the Bible says "to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator... They also realise that the word "anyone" in this verse includes family members not living under their roof....... But what will those dear parents do? Will they obey Jehovah's clear direction? Or will they rationalize that they can have regular association with the disfellowshipped son and call it, "necessary family business"? In making their decision, they must not fail to consider how Jehovah feels about what they are doing......How would Jehovah feel, though, if the parents of an unrepentant wrongdoer kept putting Him to the test by having unnecessary association with their disfellowshipped son or daughter?"-----Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 pp.31,32
"...What if we have a relative or a close friend who is disfellowshipped? Now our loyalty is on the line, not to that person, but to God. Jehovah is watching us to see whether we will abide by his command not to have contact with anyone who is disfellowshipped.-Read 1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

Consider just one example of the good that can come when a family loyally upholds Jehovah's decree not to associate with disfellowshipped relatives. A young man had been disfellowshipped for over ten years, during which time his father, mother, and four brothers "quit mixing in company" with him. At times, he tried to involve himself in their activities, but to their credit, each member of the family was steadfast in not having any contact with him. After he was reinstated, he said that he always missed the association with his family, especially at night when he was alone."----Watchtower April 15, 2012 page 12

Care to revise your bullshit comment there egghead?

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

Mary

Celestial said: I don't know if suicide or murder for a "higher purpose" was a part of the belief system of the People's Temple, but it sounds like the Temple members would do whatever Jim Jones said because of an irrational belief that he was inspired by a higher power.

Of course they believed it was for a higher power and yes they believed whatever Jim Jones said, no matter how irrational. This is no different than a Witness who chooses to die rather than accept a blood transfusion, because they've been taught by the Governing Body, that if they do accept a transfusion, Jehovah will murder them at Armageddon. Yes, Witnesses are taught that God would rather see them dead as a doornail, rather than accept a blood transfusion. This is the epitome of an irrational belief and it's done by mind control.

I never believed anything that irrational as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

You're an idiot for saying something so ridiculous as that, as there are a million irrational beliefs that the WTS puts forth at "truth" and which you must accept as such, otherwise you're branded as an "apostate". I'm sure the followers of Jim Jones would say the same thing that you just said without batting an eyelash.

I can try and understand the theory of mind-control when an extreme set of circumstances presents itself like Jonestown or the Heaven's Gate cult, but I can't relate to it. The theory of mind-control is potentially harmful. It absolves someone of personal responsibility for their actions.

Riiiight. You really believe that anyone in a cult is willing to admit that they're under mind control?

You said the blood issue was non-scriptural. Jehovah's Witnesses may be mistaken, but they believe that it is.

Ya....so tell me something I don't already know. It makes absolutely no difference if Jehovah's Witnesses believe whole-heartedly that the blood issue is scriptural. Just believing something doesn't mean it's true. 500 years ago, the official doctrine of the Catholic Church was that the earth was the center of the universe. They used scriptures to try and support this doctrine and to go against it without recanting would cost you your life. We now of course, have proof that the earth is not the center of the universe, so it made no difference if people believed this doctrine 100%----it still wasn't true.

So I don't give a rat's ass if Witnesses are totally convinced that the blood doctrine is right, because we've shown it both on JWN and on other websites, that it is not scriptural.

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

Mary

Celestial said: Mary, the Peoples Temple cult headed off by Jim Jones which is best known for the November 18, 1978 mass suicide of 913 Temple members can conveniently be attributed to mind-control. This is not the case with Jehovah's Witnesses, especially if they happened to be in your family. In retrospective, my existence as one of Jehovah's Witness wasn't that of a brainwashed robot.

Really? What's the difference between the people that were forced to drink the Kool-Aid provided by Jim Jones & Co. and the thousands of Witnesses who are forced to commit suicide by not accepting a blood transfusion? There.isn't.one.

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Latest Watchtower page 30... They have some nerve to put this!

by TimothyT in

one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.

when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.

am i missing something here!?!?

Mary

Egghead, the sheer magnitude of your stupidity, ignorance and outright lies is matched only by the grotesque blind worship you dole out to a bookpublishing company that has caused untold damage to millions of lives over the years.

Egghead said: Most people do not know what Jehovah's Witnesses believe as to the sacredness of blood, so how could they possibly know what our view is on blood transfusions? People tend to "know" Jehovah's Witnesses as being the religious group that doesn't celebrates holidays or birthdays. Some of those that have attended school with the children of Jehovah's Witnesses know them as the ones they knew in school that would stand, but would never recite the Pledge of Allegiance and never put their hands above their hearts as everyone else sang "The Star Spangled Banner" in the classroom. I really don't know how to answer your question, except to say that Jehovah's Witnesses are not known as the religion that doesn't accept blood transfusions. This is your view.

It's hard to imagine where you dream this crap up, but I doubt you actually believe what you wrote above. Even as a child I knew that 'worldly' people knew us for 3 things: Refusing to stand for the national anthem, knocking on people's doors Saturday mornings with their never-ending "the sky is falling" nonsense, and the one I heard most often: "You let your children die rather than take a blood transfusion." I was all too familiar with this as this doctrine was a big issue with my sister when she was young, it nearly cost my father his life twice and it was instrumental in my brother in law losing his life. This bizarre doctrine---that has absolutely no basis in scripture---has killed god knows how many Witnesses over the last 50 years and is probably the thing for which Jehovah's Witnesses are known first and foremost, and not in a good way. It's viewed with such horror that in Canada at least, when a Witness baby needs a blood transfusion, the court steps in if the parents refuse to try and save their child, and will do all they can to save that baby's life. And thanks to the media, whether the radio, newspaper or the internet, most people are more than aware of Jehovah's Witnesses and the issue of blood.

And please don't start your bullshit again about how the bible says you can't eat blood. You have been ground to death on the subject, most memorable on this thread started by jgnat on the subject, but, like most die-hards who belong to a cult, you simply stuck your head in the sand, refusing to admit you didn't have a leg to stand on.

This change wasn't new light, but an error that needed to be corrected.

Tomato, tomatoe......what's the difference? The Slobbering Body members demand unquestioning obedience to whatever nonsense they spew from the 6th Floor no matter how high the price (and many have paid the ultimate price for their warped interpretation of the bible). Rather than apologize and let people decide matters with their own consciouse, they---like you---refuse to acknowledge what a bunch of hypocritical misfits they really are and just keep repeating "We're God's Channel here on earth....We're God's Channel here on earth......blah, blah, blah......"

I do admit that I'm not as sensitive as you are about what I view as little human foibles.

Is that what you call it--not being "sensitive" to "little human foibles" when we are forced to watch family members die because this cult claims that by taking one, you're forefitting your eternal salvation? Is this what you call it when someone that you viewed as a close friend, rapes your son or daughter, denies it, and is allowed to continue on in their congregation as though nothing has happened? Is that what you call it when a grandparent is no longer allowed to speak to their grandchild simply because the grandchild doesn't believe the nonsense that this religion tells them is "the truth"? Please don't give me that crap that the Society doesn't forbid this, because you, me and everyone on this board knows only too well, that that is exactly what they teach.

Eggnog, you are without a doubt, one of the sorriest, most pathetic excuses for either a 'christian', a debator, or even a human being that I've had the misfortune of coming across. Your willfull ignorance, your attempted sleight-of-hand when it comes to the embarassing and non-scriptural doctrines, and your misplaced loyalty to a cult that wouldn't hesitate to kick your ass to the curb if they knew you were on this site, is a great demonstration to what mind-control can do to a person. You're not fooling anyone on this site, with the sole exception of yourself.

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Terrible conduct by congregation Elders in hospital room !

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my uncle was rushed to the hospital last tuesday with severe stomach pain.

(he was diagnosed with colon cancer one year ago.

the doctors, family,and my uncle decided against colon surgery.

Mary

They tell my cousin to please leave the room. His girlfriend says to the Elders,"Why should he leave the room? That's his grandfather." They tell her that this is a ''spiritual matter'' and that he has to leave the room. My cousin walks out and proceeds to tell me what just happened.

Disgusting, but not at all surprising. I remember when my brother died, the asshole PO phoned my parents the night we buried him to say that my other brother (who had never been baptised, but DA'd) "shouldn't be talking to anyone at the funeral". Just unbelievable how emotionless these idiots can be.

Tell your disfellowshipped cousin that a letter to the local newspaper where those elders live might be a good idea. Let's see those turd-coloured dogs try going out in Serve-Us after that.

Losers.

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Have you found Jesus?

by Terry in

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Mary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlFhaGXAp0E

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Whitney Houston died today

by mrsjones5 in

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Mary

Wow! I have to admit I'm shocked. Although I guess I shouldn't be. A truly talented singer who unfortunately, let drugs take over her life.

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3/15 WT- " Forget the Good Times you had Prior to being JW - Can't .........

by flipper in

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.......... trust your mind !

" yes, they actually said this in a wt study article entitled, " do not look at the things behind " .

i swear the wt society writers and leaders are getting even more controlling and manipulative !

Mary

"....Sad to say, some look back on sacrifices they made in the past and view them as missed opportunities. Perhaps you had opportunities for higher education , for prominence, or for financial security, but you decided not to pursue them. Many of our brothers and sisters have LEFT BEHIND lucrative positions in the fields of business, entertainment, education, or sports. Now time has passed , and the end has not yet arrived. Do you fantasize about what could have happened had you not made those sacrifices."

Oh dear. Is there trouble in paradise? Are the rank and file waking up from their stoopified state and realizing that they've been had? Are they looking at their parents' generation and thinking "mom and dad believed Armageddon was coming in their day and they believed it so much that they never paid into a pension, never owned a home and never got anything more beyond a Grade 10 education. I don't want to end up like them so screw what the Organization says, I'm buying a house and getting an education."

Since the Writing Department is notorious for coming out with bullshit articles that minimize the ever-growing problems within the Borg itself, this one really smacks of desperation. You've got brothers and sisters in their 50s or 60s who specifically did not go to university because they were promised that there was no need for it and that there were only a few years left in this System before all our problems would be solved with a sprinkling of pixie-dust. These people are now facing retirement, they've got nothing saved, work at dead-end jobs (assuming they even have a job), and guess what? Armageddon's no closer now than what it was 40 years ago. And people are getting angry that they gave up a chance for a decent life, because a billion dollar book publishing company in New York told them to.

Do these bozos really think that people aren't going to look back and regret the decisions they made? My father's pension is half of what it should have been, because he was specifically told by his local gestapo, not to pay into his company pension plan because "Armageddon will be here loooong before you retire!" That was in 1950. Anyone think he doesn't regret the fact that he only started paying into after 1975??

Several years ago, the District Overseer (that smug, self-righteous jackass, Ernest Pandachuk) was giving a talk at the assembly when he said "Brothers; if you knew 40 years ago that Armageddon wouldn't be here by now, would you do things differently? Well you shouldn't feel that way brothers!" My father was furious and said after that that's the closest he's ever come to getting up, walking out and never going back. During the lunch break, he and some of his contemporaries got together and started talking about it. They were all pissed off and one of them said "What's he trying to do? Drive us out of the truth? Of course we'd do things differently!"

And if the morons at Crooklyn are reading this, here's a little tidbit for you: The grumblings and complaining you hear now from the rank and file, is only going to get worse. I hope you're prepared for lawsuits and god knows what else, from the next generation of Witnesses that you plan on screwing over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGTmnahKD7Y

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Do you get to choose who you" fall in love with" ?

by caliber in

it's possible to choose people you get to know.

so, in learning about the people around you, it is possible that the things you learn about them could be things you appreciate or, at the very least understand.

many ex-jw's believe they married for other reasons (than love ) such as spiritual qualities or for security.

Mary

No.

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Circuit Assembly Confronting Apostate Challenge

by watson in

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well, i sat thru day 2 of the latest circuit assembly.

instead of having the co or do re address the "generation" confusion, they had a couple of brothers do a demonstration.

mocha break out in service, weaker brother mentions he's tired....all of the changes lately, the confusing new understanding of that generation, et al.

Mary

What are they saying, that the witlesses need to be screeching around at 500 km/h all day and never letting up?

That's exactly what they're saying and what they want. One way that any cult keeps control of their members is to keep them too busy to stop and think. I remember reading the experience of one woman who was pretty high up in Scientology. Holy christ, she would work 15 - 16 hours every single day. No one there ever said 'take a break' or 'you've been working too hard, you should slow down a bit'. Nope. Mental exhaustion can lull one into complacency as they continue on the treadmill to nowhere.

That's why Witnesses are still always made to feel guilty if they ever take a meeting night off or skip Saturday morning Field Serve-Us to do something unimportant, like say grocery shop, or heck even to spend some time with your kids. Holidays are "no excuse" to miss either meetings or Serve-Us either, as we've all heard over the years.

The bottom line is: they're deathly afraid that the minute you miss a meeting, or start enjoying any activities that are not Borg-related, you might start to question why on earth you're expected to do so much, when there's simply not enough time. Once that seed of doubt is planted, it's only a matter of time before you start questioning other things that make no sense. And before you know it, you're a lurker on some strange site called JWN, or you stumble across Freedminds.org or JWFacts and viola---the rest is history.

These guys are running scared because like any bully, they don't like you to question them, lest you find out that they're really just a bunch of cowardly turds.