You know what they say: Shape up or ship out. Either improve one's performance (or behavior) or leave. Besides, you have lots of "e-friends" here.
alice.in.wonderland
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The goodbye I got from a Witness "friend"
by Eiben Scrood inso i decided to look up an old witness friend on facebook.
he accepted my friend request but a few hours later he sent me this message:.
it seems to me that things with you have simply gone further astray.
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Horus = Jesus ? I saw a tv show relating the similarities. What do you know?
by blondie inwatching religulous.
http://www.paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/comparsison_horus_jesus_chart.htm (more charts on site).
comparison of the lives of horus and jesus: coincidence?mstheme.
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alice.in.wonderland
tec already posted a response to the claims of any potential parallels in themselves.
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/JesusHorus.html
The gods and goddesses worshiped by the Egyptians give evidence of an underlying Babylonian heritage. The Assyrian gods and goddesses are identical with the Babylonian deities. Do you think it's likely the gospel authors even spoke the Egyptian language? The Egyptian language is a branch of the Afroasiatic language family (minority language).
This tableaux, from the Papyrus of Hunefer, shows Hunefer's heart being weighed as above. In the previous scene, Hunefer is led by Anubis to the judgment hall. In the panel after the weighing, the triumphant Hunefer, having passed the test, is presented by Horus to the shrine of the green-skinned Osiris, god of the underworld and the dead, accompanied by Isis and Nephthys. The 14 gods of Egypt are shown seated above, in the order of judges.
If someone didn't explain this, would you have any idea what's going on here?
You have to study what remains of Egyptian mythology intuitively to see what it even means. What’s being suggested is that Bible writers that authored the Gospels borrowed ideas from a polytheistic religion that worshiped celestial deities, the Sun god Horus (a solar deity).
Matthew was written in Palestine
Mark was written in Rome
Luke was written in Caesarea
John was written in Ephesus
So the four Gospel writers (fisherman) made a trip to Upper Egypt to borrow from inscriptions from Egyptian temples and the Book of the Dead? That’s over a thousand miles.
Apart from the Old Testament and related sources, there are only a few surviving records of any sort from the Mosaic era, mostly in the form of inscribed stone slabs called stelae. (Horus dates back to 3000 B.C.E.) I think the theme of the Old Testament was much different than any of the polytheistic religions in surrounding territories. Jesus in the New Testament had a personality that has impressed people for ages, Jesus was a personage compared to a myth like Horus. There’s also historical evidence for Jesus’ existence from secular sources, not to mention calendars revolve around his presence (B.C.E. Before the Christian Era, C.E. Christian Era). I think the small idiosyncrasies between Horus and Jesus are inflated by religious opponents for self-serving reasons.
The Jesus-Horus myth was initiated from a stupid conspiracy film called "Zeitgeist," and inspired by the writing of a madwoman calling herself "Archaya S," and assembled by the "Christianity Was Just An Egyptian Syncretic Religion" kook brigade who are pretty much the intellectual equivalent of the Answers In Genesis nut house. I'm sure it's very entertaining if you're into "The Da Vinci Code," the Illuminati and related exercises in conspiracy theory brain damage. If you care about actual history, ignore this garbage and read something based in reality, like the work of E.P. Sanders, Bart Ehrman or Geza Vermes for starters. -
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Worldly Shunning
by alice.in.wonderland ini hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.
most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.
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alice.in.wonderland
"You've done nothing of the kind. If you truly believe you have, the magnitude of your self-delusion is only matched in grotesqueness by the depths of your lying manipulations."
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Evolutionists seem to think by comparing human sequences, this is evidence we descended from dogs and mice, etc
That statement tells me that you don't know what you're talking about, and you're not taking any of this seriously."
Feel free to elaborate.
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
“Clever enough that the information will go over the heads of 95% of the Witnesses who read it and convince them that they have the troof!”
There are plenty of think tanks for intelligent design.
Evolution is a form of deception so at times Jehovah's Organization addresses it but their main focus is teaching the truth about God not debunking evolution.
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Now I am going to quote from AIW's quote from Francis Collins,
"The evidence supporting the idea that all living things are descended from a common ancestor is truly overwhelming. I would not necessarily wish that to be so, as a Bible believing Christian, but it is so."
So, Macro-evolution is not scientifically in doubt then."
In his book he makes a case for theistic evolution. Atheistic evolution is in doubt by those who acknowledge the truth about reality. Some people prefer the godless worldview. This has more to do with the person than any findings in biology.
DNA is a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms. The main role of DNA molecules is the long-term storage of information. Upon execution, the genetic instructions translate into taxonomical differences (structural, anatomical, physiological, etc) in different species.
DNA can work like code/data. I don't know how much you know about programming languages, but a single language can be used to design some very different programs.
Physical findings, lately made by genetic analysis, just bolster confidence in what we already know about humans and other species; we share some common biological attributes (because we were designed by the same designer):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11591642
Comparison of human sequences with the DNA of other mammals is an excellent means of identifying functional elements in the human genome. Here we describe the utility of high-density oligonucleotide arrays as a rapid approach for comparing human sequences with the DNA of multiple species whose sequences are not presently available. High-density arrays representing approximately 22.5 Mb of nonrepetitive human chromosome 21 sequence were synthesized and then hybridized with mouse and dog DNA to identify sequences conserved between humans and mice (human-mouse elements) and between humans and dogs (human-dog elements).Evolutionists seem to think by comparing human sequences, this is evidence we descended from dogs and mice, etc. Detecting Darwinism at the molecular level would mean observing gene duplication events in macroevolution for example, not identifying sequences between humans and a dog.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_duplication#Gene_duplication_as_an_evolutionary_event
Gene duplication is believed to play a major role in evolution; this stance has been held by members of the scientific community for over 100 years. Susumu Ohno was one of the most famous developers of this theory in his classic book Evolution by gene duplication (1970). Ohno argued that gene duplication is the most important evolutionary force since the emergence of the universal common ancestor.
Major genome duplication events are not uncommon but these events never play any part in the evolution of a new species through successive generations. It's just theorized it plays a role without any qualifying evidence.
After 100 years with no direct observation, it's reasonable to conclude it would take a miracle for this to take place on a consistent basis. That brings us back to theistic evolution. -
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Worldly Shunning
by alice.in.wonderland ini hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.
http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.
most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.
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alice.in.wonderland
“Your posts on here for the most part, have been nothing more than cut and pastes, you either ignore pointed questions (that you know full well you cannot answer), many of your posts go off on tangents that make no sense and are an attempt to divert attention away from the real point at hand and then you whine and bleat about the treatment you get on here.”
I answer plenty of questions and I've thoroughly answered your questions. You can do your own thinking beyond this point. Nobody rejects the Truth because it's not the Truth. It's because they're not interested. I know this from personal experience and many direct observations. Every mature Christian is familiar with issues such as this and it doesn't cast doubts in their mind:
w84 2/15 pp. 23-24 Always Ready for the End
The year 1925 also held expectations for Jehovah’s servants. It was thought that a cycle of 70 typical Jubilees (70 × 50 years) from the time Israel entered the Promised Land would end in 1925 and mark the beginning of the great antitypical Jubilee, the Millennial Reign of Christ Jesus. It did not turn out that way.
However, our family came to appreciate that unrealized hopes are not unique to our day. The apostles themselves had similar misplaced expectations. They envisioned the resurrected Jesus Christ as restoring the nation of Israel to its former glory as Jehovah’s chosen people under theocratic rule, breaking the viselike domination of the Romans. They asked Jesus: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?” He answered, “It does not belong to you to get knowledge of the times or seasons which the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.” (Acts 1:6, 7) That same basic point has applied to the ‘faithful slave class’ today. There is an alertness, a searching to know God’s purpose, at times even an overeagerness to see the end of the world’s wicked system—but the exact timing of events is in Jehovah’s jurisdiction.—Matthew 24:34-36, 45-47.
Even if 1925 didn't hold expectations for Jehovah’s servants, nor was a solitary inaccuracy published by Jehovah's Witnesses it wouldn't change anything, your attitude is horrible. I don't know how you got this way but there's enough wickedness in this system without you contributing to it.
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. For from these arise those men who slyly work their way into households and lead as their captives weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 2 Timothy 3:1-7
These types of men see nothing good in the Truth whether it's the Truth or not. Does Satan see any good in Jehovah or Jesus?
If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 -
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
"The point of this thread has to do with the latest attempt by the Watchtower book and magazine publishing company to promote their brand of Biblical literalism disguised with fallacy ridden pseudo-science."
What's in the scientific community on the subject of biological evolution?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
Established in 1988 as a national resource for molecular biology information, NCBI creates public databases, conducts research in computational biology, develops software tools for analyzing genome data, and disseminates biomedical information - all for the better understanding of molecular processes affecting human health and disease. Searching for molecular Darwinism would require analyzing information stored in the databases that are divided into specific categories such as these:
Nucleotide: Core subset of nucleotide sequence records
GSS: Genome Survey Sequence records
Protein: sequence database
Genome: whole genome sequences
Structure: three-dimensional macromolecular structures
Taxonomy: organisms in GenBank
This is two studies hosted by the NCBI.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2323230/
Bias in phylogenetic tree reconciliation methods: implications for vertebrate genome evolution
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1779523/pdf/gb-2006-7-5-r43.pdf
The gain and loss of genes during 600 million years of vertebrate evolution
Background: Gene duplication is assumed to have played a crucial role in the evolution of vertebrate organisms. Apart from a continuous mode of duplication, two or three whole genome duplication events have been proposed during the evolution of vertebrates, one or two at the dawn of vertebrate evolution, and an additional one in the fish lineage, not shared with land vertebrates. Here, we have studied gene gain and loss in seven different vertebrate genomes, spanning an evolutionary period of about 600 million years.If the Watchtower Bible and Track Society published information like this people who don't understand phylogenetic tree reconciliation methods would not understand as it takes a while to learn. However, these studies are not evidence for evolution. The one that cites “bias” speaks for itself and indicates studies are always changing because of inaccuracies. A phylogenetic tree or evolutionary tree is a tree showing the evolutionary relationships among various biological species or other entities that are believed to have a common ancestor. Phylogenetic trees never accurately represent a species supposed evolutionary history in relation to other species. The data on which they are based is noisy and the genetic patterns modeled do not synchronize.
The study detailing the gain and loss of genes during 600 million years of vertebrate evolution is not an adequate demonstration of macroevolution: species deriving complexity from simpler lifeforms. There's nothing in the study that indicates why the gain and loss of genes is in anyway related to vertebrate evolution.
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
"What do you think of this brochure, Alice?"
It's just a brochure written for a diverse crowd, some who may consist of little scientific literacy, people in poorly developed nations. People with a thorough understanding of these things don't need the Watchtower Bible and Track Society to educate them on these things. The only concern about the brochure is if it contains inaccuracies that don't correlate with actual science.
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The Origin of Life / Was Life Created - Utter Lies!
by God_Delusion in"peter faces a dilemma.
his parents have taught him that god created the earth and all life on it.
they say that the bible's account of creation is trustworthy and that evolution is simply a theory-one not supported by the evidence.
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alice.in.wonderland
"Alice, whats the difference between atheistic evolution and theistic?"
Theistic evolutionists believe that there is a God, that God is the creator of the material universe and (by consequence) all life within, and that biological evolution is simply a natural process within that creation. Evolution, according to this view, is simply a tool that God employed to develop human life.
http://www.gotquestions.org/theistic-evolution.html
Question: "What is theistic evolution?"
Answer: Theistic evolution is one of three major origin-of-life worldviews, the other two being atheistic evolution (also commonly known as Darwinian evolution and naturalistic evolution) and special creation.
Atheistic evolution says that there is no God and that life can and did emerge naturally from preexisting, non-living building blocks under the influence of natural laws (like gravity, etc), although the origin of those natural laws is not explained. Special creation says that God created life directly, either from nothing or from preexisting materials.
Theistic evolution says one of two things. The first option is that there is a God, but He was not directly involved in the origin of life. He may have created the building blocks, He may have created the natural laws, He may even have created these things with the eventual emergence of life in mind, but at some point early on He stepped back and let His creation take over. He let it do what it does, whatever that is, and life eventually emerged from non-living material. This view is similar to atheistic evolution in that it presumes a naturalistic origin of life.The second alternative of theistic evolution is that God did not perform just one or two miracles to bring about the origin of life as we know it. His miracles were constant. He led life step by step down a path that took it from primeval simplicity to contemporary complexity, similar to Darwin’s evolutionary tree of life (fish begot amphibians who begot reptiles who begot birds and mammals, etc). Where life was not able to evolve naturally (how does a reptile's limb evolve into a bird's wing naturally?), God stepped in. This view is similar to special creation in that it presumes that God acted supernaturally in some way to bring about life as we know it.
