Posts by ambersun

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Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

hi folks.

that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.

the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .

ambersun

So let's get this straight. Andre Robert is really pleased that his family totally shunned him for 16 years. He had no problem with the fact that he had been thrown out into a world he was totally unprepared for, having been kept totally seperate from it for all of his earlier life with no friends or contacts to turn to and a family that totally rejected him. His family and congregation's complete lack of concern for his personal safety and well being while he was cast out with no support was perfectly acceptable to him.

The loving arrangement of total shunning and the desperation and loneliness it caused him to experience, drove Andre Robert to return to the wonderful loving organisation again so his family would stop treating him like sh*t and accept him into the fold again. He actually admitted it was not the doctrines he returned to, just a desperation to be with his family! I bet that despite his gratitude for this 'loving arrangement' he is secretly glad that the law of the land prevented them from actually stoning him to death instead of merely shunning him for 16 years.

How heartwarming this story is, a true indication of the warmth and love expressed by followers of the WTS. Indeed, this must be God's Organisation on earth.

I have the sudden urge to rush back into the fold again.

NOT!!!!

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I need some advice please!!! I'm torn on what to do.

by Gojira_101 in

jw
friends

this morning i woke up thinking about a friend of mine, i will call her sara...here's some of the back story.. we grew up together and have always been good friends, even though we wouldn't stay in touch, we would just pick up where we left off.

sara has always been different, and i never really knew what it was growing up, but i didn't care, she was my friend.

so we lost touch for many years and then about 4 yrs ago when i went back to my home town, we reconnected.

ambersun

The way I see it is that you are both out of the organisation now, albeit for different reasons. Why should a religion that you are no longer part of intrude into your friendship?

My advice is to just reach out to your friend and I would be very surprised if she isn't absolutely delighted to hear from you. All you need to do is ask her if she is OK and let her know how you are, then take it from there. What harm can it do?

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Jehovah's Witnesses Shunning at it's very best! SHOCKING Jw.Org

by BlindersOff1 in

found this on youtube fyi.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw8yu-r8g-8.

ambersun

Well said Farkel

I felt so sad listening to that sweet young woman talking about the love she had for her mother, right to the end, despite the way she had been cruelly rejected by her.

Why did the mother make sure her daughter knew she had cancer and then totally shun her, knowing the heartache this would cause her? It was just sheer cruelty! How could she fail to respond to her own granddaughter who was trying to hug her, knowing that it would probably be the last time she would ever see her? How hard hearted is that for goodness sake! If this is not an example of cult brainwashing then I don't know what is. Then the brother did not tell his sister their mother had died straight away. As she said, how many others knew of her mother's death before she did? She must have felt so hurt!

She even endured the heartless shunning of other family members at the crematorium. Those "loving Christians" should have been taking care of the bereaved daughter instead of giving her dirty looks and whispering about her, knowing she was watching them doing it. Absolutely disgusting. How can anyone, however indoctrinated they are, think that they are displaying Christian love by behaving in this abominable and heartless manner? Do they think Jesus would have behaved like this??!! Words fail me

If she happens to read this thread I would like to send her a virtual ((((((((hug)))))))). I would be so very proud to have her as my own daughter.

I am worried about her now, and just hope that she is alright

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Hello

by newdawnfades in

jw
friends

i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

ambersun

Welcome newdawnfades! I do hope you will find this site as helpful and informative as I have done since I joined a couple or so years ago.

Just take things slowly and enjoy the time you spend researching and learning.

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They read off the names of those auxilliary pioneering; 75% of them don't work &

by Theocratic Sedition in

jw
friends

half of that 75% get disability and ssi checks.

it was kinda funny sitting there listening to them go down the line, name by name, of the ones auxilliary pioneering since the numbers are dropped to 30 hours for march & april.

as they were doing the names i was saying to myself, "she don't work", "she supposedly can't work", "he hasn't worked in years", "she gets a check", "she's probably gonna lie about the amount of hours she did" etc.. gotta love it.. i don't know if this happens in your congregation or not, but have you ever heard someone remark about someone else behind their back, "she can show up at every gathering, but she can't show up for field service!

ambersun

When I was a pioneer 40 plus years ago, we had to do 100 hours a month and also support ourselves. I had a part time cleaning job earning 50p an hour, and I had to really graft for that money. I was constantly broke and had no money to buy new shoes to replace the ones that were worn out due to the number of miles I had to walk each week, due to the fact I couldn't afford to run a car. I was not on my own, we were nearly all in the same boat and either rode bicycles or walked. I don't know if it was just a rule amongst local congregations at that time, but we were not allowed to pioneer if we were accepting state benefits, we had to work to support ourselves!

Nowadays, whenever I visit JW relatives, there seems to be loads of able bodied young men and women hanging around either meeting up at the house pre service or calling any time during the day for coffee breaks and to use the loo, all suited and booted in lovely clothes, who never break out into a sweat or look in any hurry to leave whatsever. I am quite sure at least some of them are on benefits. All this on top of the fact they only have to do a fraction of the hours WE had to do as well as support ourselves prior to 1975! Yet all that seems to have been conveniently forgotten about. Where has all the urgency gone if we are supposed to be even closer to the end??!

To cap it all, I have had two different sisters confront me and ask me when I am going to "pull my socks up" regarding the "Truth", and another one shout at me for being selfish. I had dropped everything to go and help care for my mother at the time who was ill. None of the loving sisters seemed to be available to help out. They were probably too busy knocking doors and drinking coffee.

It just makes my blood boil.

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My terminally ill friend will read this; please offer your love and support.

by compound complex in

jw
friends

dear friends:.

forty-five years ago i was out in service with an elder, and we came upon a house where the owners kindly received us.

this was not so unusual as the family was jehovah's witnesses.

ambersun

Sending love and positive vibes your way Mike

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

ambersun

Thank you Finkelstein .

It is at least two years since I listened to that talk and I remembered some parts slightly differently, but as you say the hate and prejudice this man expresses is disgusting! How anyone of sound mind can rant on the way he did about the satisfaction of seeing the land strewn with dead bodies and body parts after armageddon, I just don't know.

As you say, there would have been impressionable children listening to all that which doesn't bear thinking about. Also, if there were people in the audience with gay or lesbian relatives, how would they have felt?

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

ambersun

Ah, I found the thread by Tatiana which was 4 years ago entitled A truly creepy 2007 public talk by Ciro Aulicino - You Will Be With Me in Paradise

I'm really sorry I don't know how to do links.

I think that Ciro Aulicino is/was a member of the bethel family but not sure if he was actually one of the GB.

If you go onto youtube the video in question is titled Horror in Paradise

The way he laughs half way through when talking about the dead bodies including gays and lesbians, it is really chilling.

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

ambersun

Hi kptkirk, sorry for the delay in replying. I have been a bit busy today and only just got back to my laptop.

Jed is dead thanks for finding that WT article.

I am sure there are others as well. I will try and find the links if I can and get back to you.

I have also been searching for the youtube video in question. I originally found it via a link in a thread on JWN about a couple of years ago. It was blood chillingly awful.

It was a talk by a GB member who has since died and I can't remember his name. He went into graphic detail about what he imagines (and hopes) will happen to the multitude of mankind at armageddon when he claims they will be destroyed by Jehovah. It was quite chilling to say the least and left me feeling quite sick. I will keep searching for it but maybe someone else will be kind enough to find it in the mean time. Anyway, I will keep searching

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Is this a religion run by PSYCOPATHS?

by Terry in

glibness/superficial charmgrandiose sense of self-worthpathological lyingconning/manipulativelack of remorse or guiltshallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)callousness; lack of empathyfailure to accept responsibility for own actionsthe hare psychopathy checklist-revised by robert d. hare, 1991. multi-health systems, 908 niagara falls blvd, north tonawanda, new york, usa, 14120-2060. psycopaths do not feel empathy but learn to imitate those who do.

psychopaths don't even understand charity.. .

i was thinking today how much psycopathy is reflected in the governing body leadership and especially manifested in policy.. jehovah's witnesses are not led by people devoted to charity, benevolence, outreach or social provision for those less fortunate which.

ambersun

I have to agree with you Terry. Don't forget they have to hold back from physical violence in order to uphold the law of the land. Shunning only exists because they are bound by the law of this "wicked system" not to stone members of the flock to death who transgress and are deemed unrepentant. (There is an article in a WT that someone quoted once where they admit this).

I only have to listen to some of the extremely disturbing talks be GB members that are on youtube, one in particular who spoke with utmost relish and glee of how much he was looking forward to watching the destruction of the "wicked" at armageddon, especially the "gays" who he seemed to be obsessed with for some reason. He told the audience they would all be laughing and rejoicing while they watched the gays dying, probably agonising deaths. He admitted he certainly would be, and was looking forward to it. He even ordered the rank and file not to feel any pity for them. I ask you, is that normal?