so in the congregation you had those wine and bread loving annointed people?
but i ask, why did the men that were annointed not immediately appointed as an elder, and then a circuit overseer and so on up the ranks.
it would seem to me, that if god saw them fit to rule in heaven.
No, not exclusive to the WT at all Char, they dont have the monopoly on where the Holy Spirit is sent, as the following from a 'worldly' resource shows:
Spiritual anointing with the Holy Ghost is conferred also upon Christians by God. ( 2 Corinthians 1:21 ) " Anointing "expresses the sanctifying influences of the Holy Spirit upon Christians who are priests and kings unto God.
http://topicalbible.org/a/anointing.htm
Loz x
Edit PS The WTBS aren't the only ones who use this term either.
so in the congregation you had those wine and bread loving annointed people?
but i ask, why did the men that were annointed not immediately appointed as an elder, and then a circuit overseer and so on up the ranks.
it would seem to me, that if god saw them fit to rule in heaven.
Probably because they were all completely insane. Most of the anointed I knew couldn't even dress themselves. Only the truly strange slurped and munched come memorial time.
This sort of insulting tone is only matched by the WTBS trying to keep the numbers down by calling new partakers "mentally diseased".
Loz x
in society's revelation book chapter 29 verse 10 on page 201 states the 24 elders are 144,000 and all are singing the same song, how can that be?
in their bible the only ones that can master that song is the 144,000. not the four living creatures nor the elders.
this 144,000 group is standing before the 24 elders.
Yet, you keep trying to "discuss." And, well, this is how it keeps going. You don't believe me. I get that. I accept that. I have no problem with that. So, why do you keep trying to "discuss"? Because you think you're going to change something? Change me? Change what I hear? Change that I admit I hear? You're going to be trying for the rest of your life, then.
Lol, Shelby, say it how it is girl, I do love ya my sister.
Loz x
i would like to have your opinions on what i should do about a situation please.. i have recently discovered that a 'brother' in the congregation (which i no longer attend) is a child molester.
i've seen documentation from his psychiatrist dated a few years ago, stating that he doesn't feel that this person is likely to offend again.
the 'brother' has said to the elders at some point that he has it under control but cannot be 100% sure it won't happen again.
PLEASE GO TO THE SISTER AND INFORM HER SO THAT SHE CAN PROTECT HER INNOCENT CHILDREN, AND THEN GO TO THE POLICE WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE. PLEASE!
Loz x
in society's revelation book chapter 29 verse 10 on page 201 states the 24 elders are 144,000 and all are singing the same song, how can that be?
in their bible the only ones that can master that song is the 144,000. not the four living creatures nor the elders.
this 144,000 group is standing before the 24 elders.
Oh, what can one do. I must do further research an dig deeper yet anyone can post any crap that comes into their minds. First, I have spent countless hours reading Revelation itself. I did so for the first time in college and after law school, where the training in textual emphasis certainly helped me. Over the decades, I have read about seven books on Revelation itself and have read many, many such discussions of Revelation in general Bible/New Testament books
Band, have you thought of ASKING in faith? Shouldn't we go to the highest authority for the answers to these truths? Why would we go to less?
Loz x
today i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
I manifestly do not believe. Christ is an equal opportunity provider.
For a Christian I find the above remarkable, since many scriptures confirm the impartiality of Jah and we know that Christ reflected Him perfectly.
There is no way I could begin to interpret scripture for anyone but self. If I were to try, I would know it was from my own psyche and not any outside influence.
I would suggest that this is because you don't trust the Holy Spirit? For those of us that are anointed, we are promised that we don't need anyone to be teaching us, since the anointing remains in us and is teaching us about all things. If you disagree with this, it's Jah you're disagreeing with because its His arrangement, implemented by Christ whose voice, as our shepherd, we know.
I John 2 v 20 & 27
Loz x
i am a jw (still active).
i like discussing with others and i think this is a great place to do so.
hopefully this can be fun and a learning experience for all of us.
Hello from UK and welcome! This is a great forum for information and support for any questions that you may have on many subjects. So many newbies at the moment! Lovely.
Loz x
i've been lurking here for some time and now that i've registered here's a little bit about myself... i'm in northern europe (so english is not my own language,but i have indeed studied it for more than 18 months) and i was born into this hateful cult in the "momentuous" year of -75.good that my parents stayed alive till then!.
as far back as i can remember i had doubts both about the doctrines and the whole existence of god.however,i instinctively knew that these doubts are not to be mentioned.so i learned to be a fake at an early age.though having read many other stories here i realise how easy i got it.i now understand that we lived in a rather liberal area and also my family was quite liberal eventhough my dad was an elder since mid -80 and mom was really "strong in the truth".i never brought up the religion at school or with friends and was never bullied or anything.it helped that i was good at sports,especially football (soccer for americans) and football is also the source of my biggest hurt in childhood.i know it may sound very trivial,but the fact that i wasn't allowed to join a football team felt just so unjust and painfull and it lasted all through my childhood.whenever we had a new gym teacher,the first thing he asked me was which team do i play for.i was too embarrased to tell the truth and i just gave the impression that i only wanted to play for fun and not join any team.oh,how badly i wanted to!.
somehow i managed to silence all those doubts and got babtised as a young man.very soon after the babtism i knew that it didn't have the hoped for effect of making me more spiritual and meetings and field service still felt an absolute bore.now began the long years of just "going through the motions".all my family (parents,many brothers and sisters,uncles and aunts,nieces and nephews) and most of my friends were in.i never reached out and attended only one or two meetings a week and penned my hours.i kind of liked my congregation (also,the seats at our kh were really comfy,so i often slept through the meetings) and made some very good friends.friends that - as you all can guess- didn't turn out to be so good in the end,but with whom i nonetheless had some good times and felt a strong connection to.. for a long time nothing happened that would've disrupted my rather non-eventfull life as a lacklustre jdub with at least another foot in the "world".i'd done many things that would've gotten me d'fed,but i never had any intentions of going to the elders about it and i had no pangs of conscience about it either.it was just a matter of convenience..i liked my witness friends,wanted to hold on to them and not to lose my family.. however..there was this girl... a (worldly,of course) girl that i had absolutely fell for and had a brief romance with many years ago.now she was back in my life.i must omit the proceeding turns of events for the sake of anonymity,but the end result is that i'm a proud father of a lovely baby girl.well,not so much baby anymore as she starts school soon.i love her so much and it gives me great satisfaction that she is growing free from any influence of vicious cults or of any gods for that matter.we live now in different countries but i see her often and there's always skype.. her birth also acted as a catalyst for the change in relationship between me and the society.i decided that i wanted to share the joy of her birth and existence with my family,eventhough i also knew that that would mean i'd have to go the elders too.if i didn't,they would,and that would result in automatic disfellowshippping.. a jc was duly formed and i had decided that i'm not going to go there and tell them that i regret her,as having her is the best thing that's ever happeded to me.
Hello and welcome, a very sad but lovely opening post. I'm sorry about your football, one of my own sons was denied that pleasure and I live with the guilt of that. I hope you enjoy the forum.
Loz x
today i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
I believe you should reread the context of 1 Corinthians 1 Band, and check the point that was being made.
| |  1Cr 1:29 | As a result, no one can ever boast in the presence of God. |
| | 1Cr 1:30 | God has united you with Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made him to be wisdom itself. Christ made us right with God; he made us pure and holy, and he freed us from sin. |
| | 1Cr 1:31 | Therefore, as the Scriptures say, "If you want to boast, boast only about the LORD." Many of us can boast of our intellect and education, but the importance of it pales into insignificance compared with being able to boast about The Lord. Loz x |
today i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
It's true Shelby, for "God chose the foolish things of the world, to put the wise to shame" - and don't we love Him for it!
Loz x
