so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
Entirely Possible I have been busy the last few days I apologize.
Let me ask you this.
The "change" cant be found on the WT library, nor can it be found in the bound volumes.
The only way it can be found is by keeping the original WT from over twenty years ago?
Am I supposed to take people's word for it? I dont think so...
But that wasnt the original topic anyway. When I get time I will do my best to address your posts..
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
I will respond when I get time....I actually have work to do today. ;o)
i am sick and tired of people putting down posters like the andersons!
they work hard to expose some things we might never have known about.
why some find fault with them, or ray franz before them, or maximus when he was here is beyond me.. be thankful for those that decide to come here and share what they know about this organization.. we get elders who are still in their positions and they share with us a lot of interesting news and perspectives.
What is her name on here?
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
NP WASBLIND you strike me as reasonable. I am not a doormat, and I will mirror your treatment of me. I have been on JW forums long enough to know how to give and get....
a jw came in as i started my shift today and said that he tried to contact me before but i wasn't there.. i'm deaf and the brother was from an asl congregation.. i used to do calls like that but didn't realize how irritating and upsetting it could be for the employee/householder.
i told him that i used to be a jw but quit.. he asked me if i was under discipline or df'd or something..
wtf?!
My agenda is truth without exxageration, bias, or hatred.
If someone is going to make a life-changing decision like leave JW's, they should do it based on truth.
Not bias, misrepresentations, hatred, and skewed responses...
Sorry I dont fall for your tactics....Maybe the peanut gallery will..
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
Alright I dont know what is going with that post. Hopefully you can make sense out of it.
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
TEC I'm quite certain there are old writings in old books that says you have to follow them and that have been scanned on this forum in different places, that they speak as God's channel, and no one else does... REPLY This claim they make is no different than the claim most Christians make. Why are JW's held to a different standard? Because they have something most individual Christians dont have. An infrastructure to enforce thier dogma. BORN AGAINS claim to have a special knowledge, and claim GOD works through them. How is that different (other than what I already posted) than what the WTS claims? TEC as well as a new article stating the same. I think that is very clear, in writing and in teaching. But regardless, as Wasblind said... you only have to claim it once. REPLY Yet when a BORn AGAIN claims they have special insight they arent held to the same standard the JW's are held to? Is that intellectually honest? TEC Also, please dont be under the misconception that JW's are alone in regards to pushing thier dogma through threats of eternal destruction. REPLY YAY! Someone isnt so blinded by thier own hatred for Group _____________ to see outside of the confines of thier own experiences! TEC That is a central tenent to Christian faith. REPLY Captured pretty well in John 3:36. John 14:6, and 1 John 5:11-13...But only the JW's are castigated for making these claims. Why is that? TEC Oh, I'm not under that misconception at all... though I would say it is central to some denominations and not others. It isn't JW's vs. the rest of Christianity, as they like to claim. REPLY Us against them is a great rallying tool and a wonderful motivator. It has been used by many throughout history and will continue to be used. TEC JW's are just another sect of Christianity, albeit an extremely high controlling sect - which is what gives them their feeling of a cult. REPLY AGREED TEC There are rules for absolutely everything, many not even biblical, and if those rules are not followed, then df'ing and utter loss of family can and often does occur. Why? Because they are not following God's organization, and are "therefore", not following God. REPLY Unity at all costs streamlines things and helps the WTS do its business. What is its business? Recruiting other JW's...You get someone like me in the room who wants to argue over biblical interpretation then we would never get anything actually accomplished. As far as DFING goes, I dont agree with it, but I find it disingenious for people to claim this came as a suprise when they decided to leave JW's. You answered almost 100 questions over three meetings with an elder, and you didnt know this would happen? You signed up for this group, and you agreed to go by the rules of this group. If you dont want to follow the rules, then you dont want want to be part of the group.Harsh, but a reality.... TEC But lets talk for a moment about df'ing. As far as I know, only cults cut their members out of their lives completely. JW's; Scientologists; Mormons (I think); Westboro Baptists; etc. So for many it isn't about Armageddon or hellfire... but rather about losing their families to an organization that claims to speak for God. REPLY I have seen many people upset and shunning one another over disagreements about religion, politics, marriages, friends, money etc....Generally, when you have a different set of beliefs than a group has, you dont have much in common with them anymore, nor do they have much in common with you. If I dont have much in common with you, and I have a belief that is central to my identity that you dont agree with, I dont have much interest in you. It is a human thing, not just a JW thing. TEC Catholics might sometimes ex-communicate from their faith, but not from contact and life (unless an individual chooses to go that route on their own, but it is not asked of them nor mandatory) REPLY The Catholics and the JW base this "shunning" on the Bible. They, of course, put their own unique spin on it, but excommunication is discussed and encouraged in the Bible. BTW, ex-communication is not "mandatory"...Generally people that have been DFED, deserved it. TEC I disagree with them 100%. Adherence to dogma does not save. Christ saves. And what special knowledge does one group of men have over another group of men? REPLY AGREED OUT of time, I will finish responding when I get more time....
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
I love how pointing out that claims to be able to predict the future in God's name by using their own publications is now their standard for "extremism". What a laughable bunch of wingnuts.
Actually I said extremists are those who spend hours and hours of time combing through old WT articles looking to cherry-pick a quote out, patch them together with other quotes written across decades, and then use that to make some sort of statement about the WT. The motivation behind such obsession is revenge, and is hardly altruistic despite what you may claim.
Fact is, so far noone has provided a quote from anything, so your claims of "pointing out" are nothing more than self-fellatioistic illusions of granduer (a quality you share with JW's)
And as if you have look back 100 years. Just look back to the 80's when they said before the century was over that God would conclude this system of things.
Okay, since we are going to play the game, then I challenge you to produce an article that claims this. (hint you wont, because it is only in one book, that is out of print) I am curious if you reject every other denomination for being over-zealous and dislocated from the realities of Acts 1:6? If so, then I can link up a page that goes through each major denomination and lists people making predictions while claiming they are being "directed" by the Spirit of GOD. Your standards are too high for any group to meet. If that is your intent then you have succeeded.
Since wasblind isn't claiming to be speaking on God's behalf and leading 7 million people
I never said WASBLIND was doing that. I said many ex-JW's claim to have special insight because they are BORN AGAIN. If your going to comment at least keep up with the discussion.
, it hardly rises to the same standard.
REPLY
You realize your opinion isnt fact right? You strike me as someone who hasnt quite differentiated between the two (another characteristic you share with JW's)
(Plus, you can always look at all of was' posts on the forum and start doing the same thing yourself, but that would take intellectual work, something you apologists abhor).
I don't have the revenge, bitterness, or anger in me to do such a thing. But an army of ex-JW's do dont they? Oh wait, at this point, most of these bitter, angry, ex-JW's are like you. Just copying and pasting from the websites of people who did the work for you and most of the other lazy Plagarists like yourself.
If you call borrowing thoughts, quotes, and other ideas fromothers who have done the actual work "intellectual" then so be it. I call it lazy, and following men (another quality you share with JW's)
BTW, you slapped me with a label so that you can avoid any real insight, or discussion about certain topics (Apologist). That, my angry friend, is the 4th thing you have in common with JW's.
With all the bitterness you spew towards JW, or anyone not agreeing with your viewpoint, you would think you would have much less in common with the group you live to hate.
Finding a new target, and re-shuffling your DOGMA is only "spiritual enlightment" in the cramped confines of ex-JW world.
To others outside that peanut gallery, you just look like the hypocrite you really are.
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
WASBLIND, I dont know what happened to that post! It didnt look like that when I clicked "submit"...
BTW, if you choose to throw in condescencion, you need to realize it will be given back.
so did the 'da society' give these dub internet savvies permission to start a forum?
because last i checked, the ole boys in their oversized brooklyn bunker didn't want their members on the internet unless it was to view their own official websites.
i thought maybe it was an apostate forum until i read their long winded, typically condescending jdub style membership guidelines:.
TEC I'm quite certain there are old writings in old books that says you have to follow them and that have been scanned on this forum in different places, that they speak as God's channel, and no one else does... REPLY This claim they make is no different than the claim most Christians make. Why are JW's held to a different standard? Because they ahve something most individual Christians dont have. An infrastructure to enforce thier dogma. BORn AGAINS claim to have a special knowledge, and claim GOD works through them. How is that different (other than what I already posted) than what the WTS claims? TEC as well as a new article stating the same. I think that is very clear, in writing and in teaching. But regardless, as Wasblind said... you only have to claim it once. REPLY Yet when a BORn AGAIN claims they have special insight they arent held to the same standard the JW's are held to? Is that intellectually honest? TEC Also, please dont be under the misconception that JW's are alone in regards to pushing thier dogma through threats of eternal destruction. REPLY YAY! Someone isnt so blinded by thier own hatred for Group _____________ to see outside of the confines of thier own experiences! TEC That is a central tenent to Christian faith. REPLY Captured pretty well in John 3:36. John 14:6, and 1 John 5:11-13...But only the JW's are castigated for making these claims. Why is that? TEC Oh, I'm not under that misconception at all... though I would say it is central to some denominations and not others. It isn't JW's vs. the rest of Christianity, as they like to claim. REPLY Us against them is a great rallying tool and a wonderful motivator. It has been used by many throughout history and will continue to be used. TEC JW's are just another sect of Christianity, albeit an extremely high controlling sect - which is what gives them their feeling of a cult. REPLy AGREED TEC There are rules for absolutely everything, many not even biblical, and if those rules are not followed, then df'ing and utter loss of family can and often does occur. Why? Because they are not following God's organization, and are "therefore", not following God. REPLY UNity at all costs streamlines things and helps the WTS do its business. What is its business? Recruiting other JW's...You get someone like me in the room who wants to argue over biblical interpretation then we would never get anything actually accomplished. As far as DFING goes, I dont agree with it, but I find it disingenious for people to claim this came as a suprise when they decided to leave JW's. You answered almost 100 questions over three meetings with an elder, and you didnt know this would happen? You signed up for this group, and you agreed to go by the rules of this group. Harsh, but a reality.... TEC But lets talk for a moment about df'ing. As far as I know, only cults cut their members out of their lives completely. JW's; Scientologists; Mormons (I think); Westboro Baptists; etc. So for many it isn't about Armageddon or hellfire... but rather about losing their families to an organization that claims to speak for God. REPLY I have seen many people upset and shunning one another over disagreements about religion, politics, marriages, friends, money etc....Generally, when you have a different set of beliefs than a group has, you dont have much in common with them anymore, nor do they have much in common with you. If I dont have much in common with you, and I have a belief that is central to my identity that you dont agree with, I dont have much interest in you. It is a human thing, not just a JW thing. TEC Catholics might sometimes ex-communicate from their faith, but not from contact and life (unless an individual chooses to go that route on their own, but it is not asked of them nor mandatory) REPLY The Catholics and the JW base this "shunning" on the Bible. They, of course, put their own unique spin on it, but excommunication is discussed and encouraged in the Bible. TEC I disagree with them 100%. Adherence to dogma does not save. Christ saves. And what special knowledge does one group of men have over another group of men? REPLY AGREED OUT of time, I will finish responding when I get more time....
