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  Ex-Atheists: What Changed Your Mind?

  by leavingwt in

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  if you're an ex-atheist, what changed your mind?.

  please be as brief or comprehensive as you'd like.

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  I don't think I could have spoken of faith any more eloquently than you just did, Jaguarbass. If I could send roses, I would send them to you now.

  Tammy
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  Why is god hiding?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  what god could have done to show himself:.

  he could have left incontrovertible evidence of his existence.he could have made it impossibly evident that mankind has been here only 6000 years, not the 200,000 give or take, that fossil evidence supports.

  he could have provided evidence through jesus to millions of non-believers, instead of focusing on a small band of fanatical followers eager to point to 'the messiah'.he could at any time, being the ultimate of beings, just simply show himself in the sky, speak to millions instead of to the lonely occasional deluded sheepherder in the desert, or provide miracles to millions of us as observers - part the ocean, cure cancer and announce it from heaven in a clear unmistakable voice, or instantaneously stop starvation and plague in it's tracks.

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  Great post. Have to go to work, will respond later... BTW, I believe in God, and I do not think that I 'bypass' evidence to show preference to an unprovable conclusion.

  Tammy
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  What Makes You Happy???

  by minimus in

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  i figured that after reading the suicide thread through, we need a more positive thread.. so what makes you happy?

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  Listening to the 'oldies'. Snuggled in bed with a book on a rainy day. Doing something nice for someone else. Watching my kids when they're being goofy.
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  Me, the WT, and the "Separating Work"...

  by AGuest in

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  may you all have peace!.

  a little while ago a dear one referred to my trip to "bethel" and discussion with carey barber.

  he asked if he could read them.

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  tec

  AGuest - I'm not really sure what to think about your posts, yet. I'm also new here, and I've found some of them to sound completely *off the wall* and others to sound *right on!* I find myself reading them out of sheer curiosity! And at the very least, you've reminded me to keep an open mind and not to judge :)

  Thanks, Tammy.
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  Do You Personally Know Of Anyone That Committed Suicide?

  by minimus in

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  lately, i've come to find out that a more than a few people in the area had killed themselves.

  most of the people i know of were in their early twenties or forties.

  for those loved ones surviving them, it was mostly a shock!

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  doublelife, I'm so sorry about your dad, and just as sorry that you had no one to turn to as a child. Perhaps you didn't chicken out so much as carried on. I'm glad to hear that you're doing better.

  I'm sorry for everyone who has lost someone. I'm just thankful that I have a second chance.

  Tammy
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  Is the pratice of disfellowshipping valid today?

  by wannabe in

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  2. bible

  i don't want anyone to think i advocate or condone wickedness in any way; but that is not what is at issue here.

  what took place in the first century, as far as removing the wicked from among the congregation in the first century i find no fault with.

  my bone of contention is, should the governing body of the watchtower society, with their elder arrangement, take it upon themselves, to follow exactly, the lead of those first century christian's, and disfellowship the many that they have today?.

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  Powerful post, Wannabe! It seems very clear laid out like this. I don't know how spiritual leaders miss this message, except that they are self-professed leaders.

  Tammy
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  This article should be required reading for all JWs who graduate from high school

  by neverendingjourney in

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  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/business/14schools.html.

  the gist of the article is that trade schools are becoming increasingly poplular in our down economy, and that many of them deceptively market themselves, to put it nicely.

  far too many students graduate from these outfits with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and zero job prospects.. when i was 19 years old, i decided to take the "spiritual" and "theocratic" route by foregoing a college education in favor of a quick trade school program.

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  Neverendingjourney and Blondie - You're right. I do mean the apprenticeship programs - although my husband wasn't with any union. We have an apprenticeship board that oversees all the trades and apprentices. It probably works differently, depending on where you live. I'm in Canada. My husband also knew a few people who did the trade-school for certificate thing for welding. It was supposed to shave off a couple years of apprenticing, but they knew nothing and it didn't get them any farther ahead than where he was as an apprentice. He says the extra money was a rip-off.

  Tammy
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  Do You Personally Know Of Anyone That Committed Suicide?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  lately, i've come to find out that a more than a few people in the area had killed themselves.

  most of the people i know of were in their early twenties or forties.

  for those loved ones surviving them, it was mostly a shock!

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  I knew one seventeen year old boy on anti-depressants who killed himself. He seemed fine and then a few weeks later he was dead.

  But I thought I'd add a little perspective from knowing someone who tried and, thankfully, failed to kill himself. My son. He was just a boy, not even a teenager. Fortunately his attempt included jumping from a high place and just hoping it was high enough to get the job done. If we hadn't learned about it from friends and teachers, then he would have progressed until he got it right.

  I never saw any signs. I knew he didn't have many friends, he's a loner and his best friends had each moved away, but I never saw any signs of depression. I didn't even know a child could seriously want something like this!

  I think that if he would have succeeded, I would have never seen the signs. But after he failed and we knew about it, then he seemed to stop pretending, I suppose. He stopped smiling. Stopped laughing. Stopped playing or even fighting with his brother. All the life and joy was gone from his face, and that terrified me. By the time I got him to a therapist, the depression had passed, but she said that it had been a deep depression. Once in that state, he couldn't see a way out - he told us that he didn't think he did anything good to help other people, and he was just sad all the time, and if he was dead, it would all stop.

  I know he's a child, but I think the feeling that there is no way out is how many suicides begin. Depression keeps them from seeing or feeling any hope for a new day.

  My son is always going to be a sensitive kid, and I'm always going to be afraid of this happening again. But we talk more, so he doesn't close everything up inside, and any normal sadness doesn't have a chance to bloom into depression without us knowing. Right now, he is once again, a laughing, carefree and smart-alecky kid :)

  Tammy
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  This article should be required reading for all JWs who graduate from high school

  by neverendingjourney in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/business/14schools.html.

  the gist of the article is that trade schools are becoming increasingly poplular in our down economy, and that many of them deceptively market themselves, to put it nicely.

  far too many students graduate from these outfits with tens of thousands of dollars of debt and zero job prospects.. when i was 19 years old, i decided to take the "spiritual" and "theocratic" route by foregoing a college education in favor of a quick trade school program.

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  How does everyone feel about trade schools for journeyman programs... welder, plumber, electrical, etc? You don't go to college, you start work immediately as an apprentice and then go to school for roughly 6-8 weeks per year. My husband is a journeyman welder, and he's going for a dual ticket as electrician. He only regrets that he waited until he was in his thirties before starting the trade program; had he done it after high school he'd probably have three tickets and special tickets.

  These trades are essential to society, and they are an alternate route for those whose interests do not lie in college/university. Once ticketed, they're just as well-paying as any degree, without the mountain of debt.

  Tammy

  *sorry, didn't see your post, Blondie*
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  Apologies To Gladiator, Et Al

  by snowbird in

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  i can't post on cameo-d's topic - are you a fallen angel?

  - anymore.. soooooo, i started this thread to apologize for the testy remark i made about men.. please forgive me.

  i should have known that you were being sarcastically humorous.. thanks.. sylvia.

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  tec

  Hard to know over the internet if people are teasing or not, sometimes. I thought everyone was being sarcastically humorous, including you. I chuckled through most of that thread.

  Tammy