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  Not sure what to do next

  by magotan in

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  2. friends

  i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

  i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

  i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

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  Chaserious

  LOL at nowwhat... people who hate gays love to use 1COR6:9 as a crutch to justify their hatred. People like him used to use the bible to justify slavery until the mid 19th century. It was official teaching of many American churches. After all, 1 Tim 6:1 says "all who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered."

  They freely admit that some scriptures are given more weight than others... you know, the golden rule is more important than the one about slavery and women covering their heads in church, but the one about homosexuality is of course in the former group. Young people like us, magotan, will probably live to see the day when this nonsense is just a curiosity of history.
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  The story of Bo Juel Jensen - the man behind the Anti-Watchtower media campaign in Norway

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi guys.

  richard e. kelly has kindly contributed a great article to jwsurvey.org on the link below.... http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/bo-juel-jensen-could-he-be-watchtowers-worst-nightmare.

  richard tells the story of bo juel jensen, an ex-witness who has been doing marvellous work in raising awareness of watchtower child abuse mishandling in norway.. as with most child abuse victims, bo's story is a disturbing one.

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  Chaserious

  @ Weana: Your basic premise is true, but even in the legal systems you are describing, the Prosecutor will have to drop a case if the witnesses refuse to testify and there is no other corroborating evidence. In the U.S., for example, a witness can be made to testify but prosecutors are generally reluctant to force sexual assault victims to testify against their will. Usually parental permission is needed in order for a child to testify. While I don't know all of the details of Bo's case, it might well be that it wasn't so much that the parents "dropped the charges" as much as they told the police/prosecution that they were not going to allow their child to testify.
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  Not sure what to do next

  by magotan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm 19, and i'm still currently a jw.

  i guess i'm a born-in, or whatever you guys call it.

  i've had some serious issues with the faith at the moment, and sexuality is a huge part.

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  Chaserious

  Welcome! I know it seems daunting but many have made it out, only to find life is not pointless in "Satan's system", as they like to label the non-JW world (e.g., regular people). One family that I know where the parents were JWs for 30+ years and had lots of witness relatives ended up having a child who was gay. They were not the kind of family that you would expect to leave "the truth." But the entire family - parents and all of the children, most of whom were adults at the time - all left together. I don't know that the gay child was 100% of the reason but I believe they genuinely believed their child did not choose to be that way as some kind of "unscriptural" decision or something, and they couldn't accept that they were supposed to condemn their own kid. I'm not saying this will happen with your family - in fact I'm sure it's the exception - but you never know.
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  How will the NOOLITE on the Faithful and Discreet Slave affect the court case in Australia?

  by hamsterbait in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  last year, in the ongoing victoria, australia case, the watchtower lawyers stated in court that the "faithful and discreet slave" does not exist.

  it is merely a "theological arrangement".

  this was obviously an attempt to get those responsible at the top of the corporation "off the hook".. now the wtbts says explicitly that the fds are the same as the governing body of eight men in brooklyn.. does this mean that the australian courts can attempt to subpoena these eight men, as the charges are against (among others) the fds and the gb?.

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  Chaserious

  I suspect the case is not going anywhere. Wasn't the case dismissed by the government, and then the same group came back with essentially the same case?
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  AntiAging Breakthrough: 10Fold LifeExtension

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://io9.com/345728/geneticists-discover-a-way-to-extend-lifespans-to-800-years.

  just yeast so far.

  i don't quite get why they want to test it on ecuadorians but maybe they sub for lab rats these days.. in addition, if you're interested in not dying, there's c60 in olive oil.

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  That article in the link is over 5 years old. If anything big came out of the tests, I assume we would have heard about sometime since then. I don't doubt that something like this might be possible some day, but I think it's a long way off. The problem is that almost all funding for R&D, both government and private, is earmarked toward research on specific diseases and not old age in general.
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  Confidential File-1980 Watchtower Insurance Manual!

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this file is usually kept in the congregation legal folder, and most jehovah's witnesses have never seen it or even know that it was ever published.. .. .

  1980 insurance manual for congregations of jehovah's witnesses.--------------------------------------------------------who is covered by the society's insurance arrangement (see page 12).the society's arrangement insures your congregation if you regularly meet in a kingdom hall which has one of the following:.1. an insurance account with the society.2.

  a loan from the society.3.

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  Chaserious

  It seems that at this time, the insurance was pooled coverage with an outside insurance company. I note that at the time, they didn't have a beef with publishers suing the insurance company (really suing the congregation and having the insurance cover it) for injuries. Note part V "Accidents", section C, on page 35, which says:

  " it is not wrong Scripturally either to make a claim on the congregation's insurance or to sue it because of an accident (see Watchtower, November 15, 1973, p. 704, par. 1)"

  Also in the same section: " If someone claims injury or damage, do not hesitate to tell him that the con gregation does carry insurance which may apply."

  However, now that the society itself administers the insurance, they have changed their tune about publishers suing the congregation for injuries and having the insurance cover it, since it comes right of of Watchtower's pocket now. Note 12/22/97 BOE under "Accidents at Kingdom Halls or Assembly Halls:

  "7. If the injured party has personal insurance, encourage him to present his medical expenses to his insurance program. Kindly explain that the Kingdom Hall Assistance Arrangement is based on donated funds and that all expenses incurred are borne by the congregations.

  8. Report the accident by phone if there is any threat or mention of legal action. Generally this would only occur if a worldly person happened to injure himself on your property. If this should happen, please obtain his name and address as well as the names and addresses of any witnesses, along with a full description of the incident."
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  Watchtower Insurance - conflict of interest ?

  by Pterist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i open this thread as a new topic after receiving an update from atlantis on wbts insurance coverage.. while we are on the subject of insurance , does anyone know if the org.

  takes out life insurance on its members ?

  recently, it was exposed that walmart and a lot of businesses take out a "special" life insurance on their employees.

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  Chaserious

  A lot of businesses take out life insurance on high level managers and executives. I disagree that it is not known that the payouts go to the company and not to the employee's family. Lots of people know about this and it's a common practice. I don't have a problem with it. If a Vice-President of Wal-mart dies, it might be difficult to find someone else capable of doing the same job and expensive to train the new person. Also if the things this person was in charge of suffer for a while until someone new gets up to speed, the company could lose profits. If it was somebody that was uniqiuely good at what he did, the business might never be the same (think of someone like Steve Jobs). I don't have a problem with companies taking out insurance to protect themselves against something like that. It's not like you taking out insurance on your neighbor's house because if the employee is important enough there would be a loss to the company.

  I think that the issue with Wal-mart was that they were taking out policies on janitors and regular employees, which I do think is a problem, in that they were trying to exploit tax loopholes and profit from the deaths of low-level employees. I am sure the WTS could not take out life insurance policies on regular members. Whether they take out insurance on HQ people is a good question. It's probably hypocritical on some level but even if they did this it would be pretty mild on the spectrum of WTS hypocrisy.
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  "Witness Patients Often Do Better" - Erm......

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  took a peek at the new jw.org and soon got angry :(.

  "witness patients often do better!".

  how was i that dumb, are people that dumb?

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  Chaserious

  That story is about saving the life of a child, not taking it.

  Lol... isn't that what the WTS and every JW parent would say about blood, too?
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  A "Chernobyl" for the Watchtower - could it happen?

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  there is an article here which posits that the collapse of the soviet union can be directly traced back to the chernobyl explosion.

  it's a pretty compelling piece:.

  http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/nuclear_power/2013/01/chernobyl_and_the_fall_of_the_soviet_union_gorbachev_s_glasnost_allowed.html.

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  Chaserious

  But they don't own any nuclear reactors.
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  BADGES COMING TO LOCAL KINGDOM HALLS, FINALLY RESPECT I DESERVE!

  by AuntConnie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  badges are coming to distinguish real christian effort!

  1. badges: i want my badge to be different from the other brothers and sisters badges coming!

  the society has realized they can't live without us and now they are giving us a little something extra ,it's going to be a blast!

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  Chaserious

  All downhill from here. Predicting this thread only gets 3 pages of comments, not the heady 7 or 8 you have gotten used to.