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  Australia Newspaper alerts: JWs likens "defectors to 'contagious deadly disease'

  by Gayle in

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  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/jehovas-witnesses-defectors-cop-a-blast/story-fn7x8me2-1226155212128.

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  MrMonroe

  Pig, problem is they're not showing the comments. Email a letter instead. They may publish it, which will keep the issue alive.
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  Did you have any Elders CO's/DO's that were "Hung up" on certain things????

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we had an elder that was hung up on mens haircuts he had a real thing about how short mens hair should be and even told one bro off for parting his hair down the middle.. even told one bro to shave off his sideburns.. a c.o who was paronoid about sound always telling the bro in charge off.. .

  a d.o who orded the attendants to remove crying babys from assemblys on more than a few occations...hans hubler for those that know him..

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  MrMonroe

  1. When I was studying the elder visiting me used to go on and on about how God was going to use antimatter to clean up the world after Armageddon.

  2. There was an old dude in one congregation who, when giving the Godly View of Sex and Marriage talk, said it was a good idea not to have chocolates or spices, or worcestershire sauce, before bed. "It will irritate the body openings and you will want to comfort yourself." He said brothers should sleep with their arms and hands out of the blankets so they didn't comfort themselves.

  3.Elders in one congregation became obsessed about guys' haircuts in the 1990s that had what they called the "DH" look. DH stood for dickhead: it was that style of the time when the hair would be thick on top, but kind of short and shaved halfway down. It was supposedly a gay thing, meant to mimic the look of an erect penis. The elders would look for any guy who had a "definite line" in their hair, so they couldn't do magazines or microphones. "Sorry brother, that's what we call a DH haircut. You'll have to go back and get it trimmed. Get rid of the definite line."

  4. In congregations in the South Island of New Zealand a circuit overseer introduced the idea of The Stone. (Maybe Sizemik can correct me here. It may have been a District Overseer). Each group doing territory would pick up a small stone and the pair of JWs seeting off at the head of the pack would leave it on the letterbox of the home as they went inside. The theory was that the pair following them would see the stone, realise someone was at that house (though they'd probably see them at the front door anyway!), pick up the stone and leave it on the next letterbox when they went down the driveway. The idea was that it avoided accidentally calling on a house minutes after someone else had done it, and if in the unlikely event that a couple would get invited inside, the others would keep moving to the next door. (Though it was far preferable that if we lost a couple because they'd been invited inside, we'd just stand around on the footpath talking until they reappeared. It was a great way to use up your time!)

  The problem was, sometimes you'd miss the stone and go halfway up the street, then realise it and have to backtrack. Idiot Witnesses would be peering into people's letterboxes or newspaper delivery tube to see if they could find it. And other idiots, as they left a house, would stop at the letterbox and start rummaging around and trying to work out if the stone was still there. Householders woud stand there and watch the JWs fiddling round with their letterbox and wonder if they were trying to pinch their mail.

  JWs being the institutionalised idiots they were, they insisted you HAD to have the stone when you were witnessing, even when it was obvious where people were. In their minds, the CO had once suggested it as an idea, particularly when you were doing rural territory where there were long, long driveways, but because the CO had suggested it, it was a rule.

  But my wife and I hated the stone. We thought it was a dumb idea. So we'd just ignore it and go on to the next house. You'd work out who the front pair were, then overtake them and do the next house. And next thing you'd have these idiot JWs coming up behind you bellowing, "Where's the STONE? What have you done with the STONE? We're using the STONE today, brother!" And they'd get grumpy and go back down the street looking in all the letterboxes for the goddamn stone.

  What a bunch of fruitcakes.
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  Australia Newspaper alerts: JWs likens "defectors to 'contagious deadly disease'

  by Gayle in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/jehovas-witnesses-defectors-cop-a-blast/story-fn7x8me2-1226155212128.

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  MrMonroe

  Still no comments on Herald Sun website and the story can only be found by Google news search; it doesn't even appear on the Herald Sun website search button.

  But you can always email letters to them. [email protected]

  Keep it short.
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  Australia Newspaper alerts: JWs likens "defectors to 'contagious deadly disease'

  by Gayle in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/jehovas-witnesses-defectors-cop-a-blast/story-fn7x8me2-1226155212128.

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  MrMonroe

  Mum said that not everyone that leaves the organisation is an apostate... only those that speak negatively of the organisation.

  Light bulb, she's right ... to a point. If I left and never criticised the WTS, but began celebrating birthdays or attending another church, I'd be an apostate. If I leave, I leave because I disagree with them. But the only way I can avoid being branded an apostate is to never ever say anything critical about the organisation. It's a form of blackmail to ensure people never say anything critical of the religion once they leave.

  If I'm true to myself, why should I never be allowed to discuss with friends, workmates ... or other JWs ... the reasons why I left and the reasons why I disagree with them?
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  I Just Knew This Was the Truth as Soon as I Heard It !

  by bigmouth in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i can't count the number of witnesses i've heard, or experiences i've read, who say this.. this is the basis on which they decide to join a high control religion ?.

  do you make important decisions based on gut feeling or intuition or do you spend time researching a matter first ?

  i've made some dumb decisions based on emotion and had to repent at my leisure.. actually, i was thinking about the mother with a missing child who just knows she's alive somewhere and is coming home.

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  MrMonroe

  It's a religion that places a huge amount on emphasis on rational belief. They like to take mysticism out of it as much as possible (except where it comes in handy, like explaining how God uses the FDS to provide new light....).

  I confess I found many of their teachings appealing because they made sense: why God wouldn't create humans with the intention that they'd die, why an intelligent creator suggests an intelligent purpose ...

  Other teachings I just learned to swallow because they were part of the package: that God has an organisation, that only 144,000 go to heaven, that a complex set of hidden clues pointed to 1914 being a pivotal year in human history etc etc. And blood and birthdays were part of that as well.

  The problem is their teaching methods, restricting information to a very narrow, predetermined course, with pre-provided answers to the questions they ask, is a very clever, and very insidious method of teaching. Indoctrination, really. You have to ACCEPT certain points before you can move on to the next step. It simply forces people to accept the whole range of teachings without room for alternative views. And that's where the mind control starts.
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  Australia Newspaper alerts: JWs likens "defectors to 'contagious deadly disease'

  by Gayle in

  1. social
  2. current

  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/jehovas-witnesses-defectors-cop-a-blast/story-fn7x8me2-1226155212128.

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  MrMonroe

  Unlike some other papers, the Herald Sun removes stories quickly from their website, though the links remain active for years. If you visit their website, you'll find the latest story only by searching for it in the little box at the top. For that reason they don't bother adding reader comments on most stories .... anything to do with footy or crime will get tons of messages, and they'll display them all, but other stories will have none.

  Still, it's Australia's biggest selling newspaper, so people will have seen it in print even though it's pretty well vanished from their website. And the JW grapevine being what it is, the Dubs themselves will soon be aware of it.
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  You All Need To Read This New Letter Sent To All Conregations In Victoria Australia About Police Checks For Elders

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  police minister peter ryan has written a letter to mr unthank advising that jw's are now applying, in mass, for the wwc in victoria.

  to little to late.

  criminal charges still stand and cannot be backdated!

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  MrMonroe

  I have made some inquiries with the Victorian government over any developments over the Working With Children Checks.

  Its response includes the following statement:

  The Department of Justice has been in regular contact with the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society to ensure it is aware of its obligations under the Act. As a result, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has now advised that they will now require all Jehovah's Witness elders to apply for a WWC Check.
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  JW spokesman: We refuse blood, but it's a personal choice

  by MrMonroe in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  dublin news story contains a blatant lie from the mouth of a jw spokesman:.

  http://www.thejournal.ie/need-for-discussions-between-hospitals-and-jehovahs-witness-patients-234833-sep2011/.

  a court order granted today to allow the coombe hospital give a baby a blood transfusion against the wishes of her parents underscores the need for more discussions to take place between hospital staff and patients, says a dublin branch of jehovahs witnesses.. harry homan, from the south dublin hospital liaison committee said that the issue highlighted the relationship between hospital staff and jehovahs witness patients.. he said, however, that there is already healthy discussions happening across the country.. the parents in this case are very happy with the hospital and the care being give to their baby, homan told thejournal.ie.. there is an excellent relationship between the parents and staff and the child is receiving the best of care.. he added that a blood transfusion will only be given to the premature baby as a last resort.. at the moment, she is doing well, said homan.. rte reports that the transfusion will be given to the baby if her condition deteriorates and it is necessary to save her life.. hospitals are acutely aware of the dangers associated with blood transfusions, claimed homan, adding that it is in everyones best interests to seek alternatives.. he said the position of jehovahs witnesses is perfectly clear on the matter of blood transfusions.. we do refuse transfusions, he said.

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  MrMonroe

  No Stillsuck, they will say, you have made your personal choice and now we must shun you. By your actions you have breached one of our fundamental teachings and have therefore disassociated yourself.
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  December 1, 2011 Watchtower - I believe there may be some lying in here...

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  our readers ask: will the earth survive 2012?.

  page 10: "when will this occur?

  no human knows.

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  MrMonroe

  The WTS rarely comes right out and announces it is doing a U-turn on doctrines. Its more common tactic is to slowly slip in new attitudes, which through the process of repetition gradually supplant the old ones.

  I wonder if they're starting to do the same with this, and become more like the Seventh Day Adventists, who accept that Armageddon will come at some point, but make no attempt to pin it down.

  But if they're becoming less doctrinaire, why are they stepping up their rhetoric against "apostates"?
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  The Huffington Post has picked up the mentally diseased story!!!!

  by discreetslave in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just posted by vampire665 on facebook.

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/28/jehovahs-witness-magazine_n_985479.html.

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  MrMonroe

  I wouldn't overstate the effect of these stories. To us on this forum, the JW leaders are a tyrannical bunch of liars who ruined our lives. To the media, and most newspaper readers/TV viewers the JWs are a very small and mildly irritating religion.

  The stories may help to shake out some Witnesses who may already harbour doubts about the rationality of their leaders, and make them feel uncomfortable about remaining closely aligned with them. They may also make some people who atre contemplating baptism or home bible study to walk away from it. The key message in these stories needs to be that once you join, they will do everything they can to make it hard to leave, including name calling and organised shunning.

  The stories help to chip away their support and keep the idea of "cult control" in the minds of casual readers. But the reality is the publicity isn't going to bring this religion to its knees.