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  How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

  by jwfacts in

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  2. scandals

  it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

  it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

  in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

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  Quillsky

  Perhaps we should start a movement here that everyone facing judicial committees from now on INSISTS on recording it as a prerequisite to attending.

  I've never seen a scripture against recording devices.
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  How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

  it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

  in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

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  Awesome Paul. Thanks for going through all of that and then sharing it.

  From the CO's report....

  .... he didn't want to be disfellowshipped himself. Elders are certain that his motivation for this is so that he can continue association with his Witness parents and other family members.

  Hey, no kidding? Seriously?

  Now this, from an elder's written and filed report:

  Michael made the call to Paul's mobile with Luc present, and stated: "...we will not put our decision in writing, and our decision is to take disfellowshipping action..."

  Now this is extremely interesting to me from a legal standpoint. Even though your privacy case never made it to the courts and so cannot create precedent from that perspective, here is a finding that could be very useful legally.

  The WBTS doesn't put disfellowshipping decisions into writing to the victims, only makes them verbally, specifically so that legal action is almost impossible. Here you have a written admission of a decision.

  So the learning here is that for others who may want to pursue legal action against their disfellowshipping, extracting documents like this through privacy laws can cut right through the society's fearful "nothing in writing" policy.
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  Video: Overcoming the JW Shunning Ritual

  by leavingwt in

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  2. friends

  this is the story of how one ex-jw has overcome the shunning.

  i found it be very positive.

  i hope you enjoy it.

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  Quillsky

  Some wise words, so true that you won't make new friends and "family" by sitting on your sofa.

  Candle Surgeon posts here sometimes.
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  Profoundly Shock, Sadening and Traumatic Account of Mary Aguilar

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after reading this internet link below about the profoundly shocking, sadening and traumatic account of mary aguilar, an ex-jw woman's systematic treatment and abuse, what do you think regarding the action her jw abusive husband, the congregational elders, and finally, the wts attitude when she finally reported the accident to them?

  is there any related experienes that you might have come across?.

  http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/blogs/view/306.

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  Quillsky

  (((Dinah)))

  I think perhaps my advice is right for some people but not all? Thank god for your dad, he seems like a good man.
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  Profoundly Shock, Sadening and Traumatic Account of Mary Aguilar

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
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  after reading this internet link below about the profoundly shocking, sadening and traumatic account of mary aguilar, an ex-jw woman's systematic treatment and abuse, what do you think regarding the action her jw abusive husband, the congregational elders, and finally, the wts attitude when she finally reported the accident to them?

  is there any related experienes that you might have come across?.

  http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/blogs/view/306.

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  Thanks for your reply, Scott77. No, I can't think of a personal friend or relative that has been physically abused, but I mentioned my personal example of having been emotionally abused and only realizing afterwards, when people who had observed evidence of it said "I wondered why you stayed", and I truly wished they'd rather said something at the time.

  I still believe that there is such a thing as a victim mentality, and sometimes "tough love" - including calling a spade a spade - is the best thing you can do to help them stop what is often a cycle. I have read of many cases where women go from being physically abused by a parent and then by a series of men, and I do think "Surely you can see a pattern here? This can't be a coincidence. Why are you allowing it?"

  However, this is certainly complicated by, especially in the case of women, financial dependence and children. If I sound hard-hearted I understand, but I'm really not. I just wish abused women would take responsibility, not for the abuse but for recognizing it and then getting away from the abuser.

  Edited to add: I've just recalled that a good friend (not an ex-JW) was abused by her gun-toting husband (now ex-husband). He continues to occasionally torment her with threats on her life, but that has lessened over the years since she left him, mainly because she has taken a "keep away from me with that crap" stand. I admire her tremendously for that.
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  Profoundly Shock, Sadening and Traumatic Account of Mary Aguilar

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after reading this internet link below about the profoundly shocking, sadening and traumatic account of mary aguilar, an ex-jw woman's systematic treatment and abuse, what do you think regarding the action her jw abusive husband, the congregational elders, and finally, the wts attitude when she finally reported the accident to them?

  is there any related experienes that you might have come across?.

  http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/blogs/view/306.

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  Quillsky

  What do all these sighs mean, Scott? While other people are posting personal stories and eloquent views (which make us think, and reconsider our respective attitudes) you post sighs and sad faces?
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  Profoundly Shock, Sadening and Traumatic Account of Mary Aguilar

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after reading this internet link below about the profoundly shocking, sadening and traumatic account of mary aguilar, an ex-jw woman's systematic treatment and abuse, what do you think regarding the action her jw abusive husband, the congregational elders, and finally, the wts attitude when she finally reported the accident to them?

  is there any related experienes that you might have come across?.

  http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/blogs/view/306.

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  Quillsky

  the advice to JUST LEAVE...is like telling an alcoholic to just quit drinking

  But hang on..... isn't quitting drinking exactly what an alcoholic should be doing??

  Nobody said it has to be easy to take responsibility for your own life. But it's the right thing to do.
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  When you meet up with real life friends who are ex-Jehovah's Witnesses...

  by Quillsky in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ....... how much of your conversation is "exie" stuff?.

  for me, i don't have many ex-jw friends, but those i do have are brilliant friends and we entertain our partners a lot with ex-talk.

  the spouses find our history a bit weird but fascinating..

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  Quillsky

  Interesting comments.

  I've just realized that I have one ex-JW friend and one ex-JW relative with whom I don't discuss JW history because they almost seem to be in a bit of denial about being ex-dubs. It's like I can laugh about it and criticize it, but they can do neither. They are also the two that are the most critical of me visiting ex-JW forums.
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  Have you ever deleted friends on facebook?

  by asilentone in

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  2. friends

  why did you do it?

  i have done it on several occasions.

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  Quillsky

  Facebook is quite a cultural phenomenon and I understand why JW leadership is so afraid of it.

  That.
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  Profoundly Shock, Sadening and Traumatic Account of Mary Aguilar

  by Scott77 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after reading this internet link below about the profoundly shocking, sadening and traumatic account of mary aguilar, an ex-jw woman's systematic treatment and abuse, what do you think regarding the action her jw abusive husband, the congregational elders, and finally, the wts attitude when she finally reported the accident to them?

  is there any related experienes that you might have come across?.

  http://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/blogs/view/306.

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  Quillsky

  Jamie and its_me, thanks for sharing your stories.....

  Saying things like "poor me doesn't work for me" only reinforces the victim's learned helplessness, because she is being attacked for being attacked

  ..... but don't you see that allowing/agreeing with a "poor me" attitude actually reinforces the "victim's" learned helplessness?

  I get the point that shelters for abused women are necessary because some men ARE truly dangerous. But every abused woman has to ask, why am I allowing this to happen? What is it about ME that makes him do this? And no, the answer isn't "because you're worthless", which is what he's trying to tell you by his behavior. The simple answer is "because you allow it".

  It's called taking responsibility. (Which includes saying "fuck the elders.") It's the first step to getting out, the first step towards stopping permitting the insane treatment of your body or your mind.