As of two days ago, any time I click on a topic or move anywhere on the website, it's "waiting" for about 3 to 5 seconds for the advertisement or cookies, etc. It's very annoying. Not sure if any change was made recently or not.
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by EndofMysteries inas of two days ago, any time i click on a topic or move anywhere on the website, it's "waiting" for about 3 to 5 seconds for the advertisement or cookies, etc.
it's very annoying.
not sure if any change was made recently or not.
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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I never read copy-paste.
For the lurkers, when Cofty can't reply or is proven wrong, then his go to response is either something about "go read a basic book" or refusing to read or acknowledge like he just did. Had I just stated that information in my own words, he'd say it's not true and to read a book. Posting a peer reviewed source and he refuses to look at it :)
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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DNA shows no signs of intelligent design.
Cofty - I'll provide sources that say otherwise. Here is the first, I'll post some of the information here...
- Title: The Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design.(Book review)
- Author: Orient, Jane M.
- Subjects: Meyer, Stephen C.
- Is Part Of: Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring, 2014, Vol.19(1), p.29(2) [Peer Reviewed Journal]
- The book is The Signature in the Cell: DNA and the Evidence for Intelligent Design, by Stephen C. Meyer, hardcover, 611 pp, $28.99, ISBN 978-0-06-147278-7, New York, N.Y., Harper Collins, 2009
Author Stephen Meyer first came to media attention with the firestorm of controversy that met publication of his article on Intelligent Design in the peer-reviewed journal, the Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington, housed at the Smithsonian Institution. The editor of the journal, evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg, was censured for poor editorial judgment, although the article had passed the normal process of peer review. He was demoted, and his career at the Smithsonian ruined. Benjamin Stein recounts the story in his movie Expelled.
In The Origin of Species, Charles Darwin argued that natural selection acting upon random variations could explain how living things appear to have been designed. He did not, however, attempt to explain how living organisms came to exist in the first place. It was the question of the origin of life that aroused the interest of Meyer when he was a young scientist working for a multinational oil company in 1985.
As a former physics and geology student, Meyer knew very little about DNA. He attended a conference about the "DNA enigma"--the fact that its coding sequences contain information comparable to that in computer code. This suggests the existence of a programmer--a designer.
We learn in basic physics and chemistry that there are two entities in the universe, matter and energy, which are neither created nor destroyed--at least, not since the Big Bang, although they are interconvertible according to Einstein's equation e=[mc.sup.2]. But there is a third entity, Meyer points out--information. Information is created, and is destroyed.
Explanations for an observed phenomenon are generally of three types, Meyer observes: necessity, chance, and design.
Chemical reactions occur through necessity, i.e. the laws of physics. Such reactions may occur in a certain way, i.e. amino acids linking up in one sequence rather than another, by chance.
A stream flows down a mountainside by necessity. The distribution of rocks on the bottom of the stream occurs by chance.
On the other hand, the configuration of rocks at Stonehenge is recognized to have occurred because of design. Information that we see in computer programs is there by intelligent design. The occurrence of design implies the existence of intelligence.
If we see an array of letters or numbers or marks, how can we determine whether they are random sequences, say caused by those proverbial monkeys hitting keys on a typewriter, or the product of intelligence? Meyer discusses this at great length, including the concept of available "probabilistic resources."
Meyer describes how the sequence of DNA bases codes for amino acids. One set of three bases can code for one and only one amino acid, although a particular amino acid can be specified by more than one codon. This is the alphabet. Does the arrangement of the codons spell out something like a Shakespearean play, or is it just a set of incredibly fortunate bingo calls?
Once the biological system exists, it replicates itself. How did the first self-replicating system come about? We now recognize that the very simplest living cell is immensely more complex than Darwin could possibly have understood.
Every cell represents a chicken-and-egg phenomenon. Before there was a living cell, there had to be the first self-replicating molecule. What are the candidates? It cannot be DNA. DNA is the template for its own replication, but it cannot replicate without DNA polymerase and about 20 other enzymes. DNA contains the information needed for building enzymes and other proteins, but cannot itself synthesize them. Protein synthesis requires messenger RNA, transfer RNA, and elaborate machinery made of proteins.
What is needed is a molecule that has both enzymaticfunctions and information storage functions. Scientists hoped that certain types of RNA would satisfy these requirements. According to the RNA-first model, an RNA ribozyme arose in a prebiotic soup. First, there were chemical reactions occurring by necessity between precursors that just happened to be present under a set of physical conditions favoring their reaction. Chance variations in the process occurred, and natural selection eliminated less survivable variants. Eventually, more efficient and more complex systems emerged.
Meyer notes, however, that RNA building blocks are hard to synthesize and easy to destroy. Additionally, ribozymes are poor substitutes for proteins. Naturally occurring RNA molecules can perform only a small handful of the thousands of functions performed by proteins. Most importantly, Meyer concludes, the RNA role does not explain the origin of genetic information, that is the sequence specificity in the "DNA enigma."
Intelligent design is kept out of school curricula on the basis that it is not a scientific theory. Meyer provides a lengthy discussion of how to determine whether or not a theory is scientific. While theories that can be subjected to experimental proof or disproof are scientific, neither evolution nor Intelligent Design can meet this criterion. Instead, they must be evaluated by a process that determines what constitutes the best explanation--rather like in a murder investigation. I found Meyer's book to be as engaging as a good whodunit.
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Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?
by cantleave inone of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.
this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.
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Did your God spontaneously come from nothing then? If not then how did he get there? Your 'logicalness' creates a lot more questions than it answers.
Depends if my God is a biological life form, immortal, spirit, another dimension, or human and we are all a simulation, etc.
My 'logicalness' goes w/ the truth. It would create more questions. But pretend that humans invent AI, and eventually robotics take over the planet and all humans die. OR humans create AI, and drop some off on another planet and they have the ability to replicate themselves or create others. Millions of years later after the original ones are gone, they are looking into their origins. They are trying to determine how they came about and with no evidence of us biological lifeforms on their planet, they refuse to entertain the idea they were created and looking into how they spontaneously appeared as well. If we came about by intelligent design, who cares if it creates more questions, we'll never get the truth of the matter if we dismiss it because it will ' create more questions'.
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Jehovah's Witnesses the richest religion in the world..
by wwjdnwt ini don't post here too much..i am more of a lurker.
but, wanted to share recent conversation with jw family member.. one of my jw relatives recently went to visit another jw relative that is "serving where the need is great",.
when my jw relative returned home and i was talking with him, who is an older jw who has been in for over 50 years, was so excited to tell me about the special talk.
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Ha! In one of my relationships I visited their prysberterian church, it had about 400/500 members, their annual donations/funds were around $400,000 - $500,000. A kingdomhall w/ 400/500 divided over 3 congregations would would average $1000 a month per congregation for $36,000 a year. -
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Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?
by cantleave inone of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.
this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.
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It takes a lot of balls to admit that your belief is really just a desire to believe.
freemindfade - What peace of mind comes from believing in intelligent design vs not? If humans are the result of another biological lifeform that was on Earth millions of years ago, does that change anything? If made from a God who got bored and is gone and we merely live and die does that change anything?
There is a desire to continue life or able to continue it, but acknowledging or believing in intelligent design does NOT fill that need. Without knowing more, it doesn't offer if there is any afterlife or not.
My belief in intelligent design is because it's a lot more logical than spontaneous out of nothing.
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Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?
by cantleave inone of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.
this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.
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Any one of dozens of basic textbooks on evolution will explain that in detail.
I've only ever seen textbooks showing jumps. Cells, then aquatic life, etc. Jumps where the entire life form is changed.
List a SPECIFIC textbook that will list natural CHEMICALS ,etc, that any person or scientist can combine that will create the first block. Then step by step. What came first Cofty? In what order were brain, heart, kidney, liver, etc evolved? In each step how did the life form exist? Where is a picture or fossil record of the life form before, during, and after a heart was evolved, kidney, liver, etc? If many books existed on this and since you're such an expert, if you took the life form and stood it side by side, how many evolutions took place from the chemicals to what a human is now? Do you have a list and photos or illustrations of each of them? Details on how the body survived and operated before all parts were developed? I've never seen such a book.
At most I've seen a book that shows a single cell, then basic cells, many MAJOR jumps and steps that supposedly happened millions of years a part all based on guesses with no physical evidence.
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Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?
by cantleave inone of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.
this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.
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EndofMysteries - Does nobody ever feel the need to read a book anymore?
Cofty: Show me what the books reveal about a step by step process from the chemicals and catacalysm in creating the first cells and life, and the step by step process of those cells as they eventually become humans, fish, birds. Illustrations of each tiny change as a heart or liver, etc, was developed and how the life form lived without them. What book has the exact process that can be tested replicated in a controlled envirnment to then concur that is a FACT? What book??? In fact don't even just list a book, but make a nice post showing the formula from nothing to a human being. And when would you like to arrange to show us this process in a lab?
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This thread is for proof that God exists
by juandefiero inhowever, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?
if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.
(1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.
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The God is intelligent design. Whether a biological scientist, supreme cosmic being, or computer programmer in which we are AI stuck inside a simulation in a computer. Whether God in any form is still watching/monitoring us, dead/gone, from another dimension, etc.
The proof of intelligent design is evident in all life. Learn about computer programming and compare it to DNA and life in general. So many similarities. I even posted a topic about it maybe about a year ago if you want I'll relink it or look at my old topic posts. That is the 100% certainty. If this being has a future planned for us and what is it, without him talking to us directly, with the many translations and religions and books, impossible for a certain answer.
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Why Do Intelligent People Believe in God?
by cantleave inone of the most common thing thrown at atheists is - lots of intelligent people believe in god.
this darkmatter 2525's video is an excellent explanation as to why very logical people possess religious belief systems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y201qzddzbg.
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That video is absolute crap. What do you consider intelligent? I have a 130 IQ (tested several times professionally throughout my life), honors degree that included religious studies and basic biology, genetics, astronomy, etc. An IQ can be quite broad, my highest scores aside from knowledge were on puzzle, problem solving, and critical thinking. I also used to be a programmer.
The video was NOT made by an intelligent person, nor one possessing good critical thinking skills. Why do I make that claim?
1. The basis for the reason being to fit in and emotional ties defies those who use thinking and intelligence. An 'intelligent' person, if considering one a 'thinker' vs a 'feeler' wouldn't still believe in God because of social pressure or emotional attachment.
2. The lack of critical thinking is very evident when they as many others claim that believe in God must mean acceptance or belief in ANY religion on this planet. Very narrow minded thinking. Even though God is a religious term, if you take the concept then there need not be any religious ties to it. God also is understand in many different ways throughout beliefs and religions, the only exact specific is our life is the result of 'intelligent design'.
Why do I believe in God? First, my only 100% certain belief is "intelligent design". I am not 100% certain what form this intelligent design is from, where they are, if still around, etc. Having been a programmer, researching into AI, genetics, etc., I see intelligent design in all life. I am even considering learning programming again to try to create AI since faster computer processors, memory steadily rising in capacity but shrinking in physical size, cloud computing, camera, audio devices, and the new industrial revolution all have the right conditions to begin to develop this technology.
What is my take on life? Like computer programs, we can see the code and see the programs. But without the platform and appropriate software, we cannot create our own programs from scratch. Some intelligent lifeforce designed life, using DNA as the language. Designed it to replicate, and to adapt to its environment. The adaptations are the evolution we see.
None of those things has anything to do with social pressure or how I was raised. It doesn't tell me what to expect when I die. It doesn't tell me the nature of God, spirit or physical or something else. If man can ever replicate instead of by trillions of random chances for a cell life to just emerge, then group up to develop heart, brain, lungs, kidneys separate from each other or spontaneous at the same time, and into other life forms, then I might change my mind. If all those things w/ DNA developed by chance over millions or billions of years due to random chemical mixes, etc, then surely with man intervening and mixing the right things at the right time it should happen a lot quicker. And if all the varieties of life all happened by chance too, then we should be able to design and create customized life forms as well. (That may soon be possible w/ genetic engineering, but the key is to do it all from scratch and not use anything existing).