Posts by Larsinger58

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

Larsinger58

No matter what, since "interpretation belongs to God" and he is real and true, those prophecies are being fulfilled as he understands them, not as we might misunderstand them.

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Disgusting characters in the Bible. Know any?

by punkofnice in

in a recent thread zed is dead commented on lot being a scumbag.. it seems the wbt$ uses these filthy perverts as 'good examples(tm)'.. even when i was in i thought david was a piece of crap.. i vote king david as a lowlife scumbag.

murderous, adulterous, and treacherous.

(obviously he was copying that imaginary sky twat = god!!)..

Larsinger58

You know, it seems that God likes passion and sincerity. Even the "prodigal son" showed that he had to have truth in his life, even if he didn't understand that at first. He was willing to sacrifice what he had to have truth.

Others, don't go that far. They are able to compromise themselves and adapt.

David was flawed, yet passionate. So even though he erred in a great way, when he followed God, he had that same intensity. God likes those who are intense and who are willing to give up everything to have that ultimate truth in their lives. So when that intensity meets with truth, then you have a more devoted person. As the Bible notes, those who had erred and then repented, are more devoted than those who had always maintained. Thus God from the beginning has chosen the more passionate, like Abel over Cain. Some people do good but have little challenges. Some with many challenges may err but then when they find their way back, they are truly passionate about God.

Be either "hot" or "cold" if you are a drink. If you are luke warm, then you get vomited out!

Even so, God does have his favorites, even as flawed as they often are.

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

Larsinger58

Larsinger

When I read your verbose post it sounds quite arrogant and confused. You say that if you are of the elect, you are chosen, I presume by God. So a loving God choses who he wants to be in the elite..oops elect, gives them understanding and then gives them more but the others just won't understand because God hasn't allowed them to be. What loving parent would give more to one child and then condemn the other for not having what they gave to the other. It doesn't make sense to me!

Interesting comment, but this misrepresents what was stated. The Bible says that he who has much will be given more, but he who has nothing, even that will be taken away. So if you want to compare this to a parent and children, note that the situation is already uneven. Note that the children have already displayed their choices.

You present this as if these children are all innocent and not knowledgeable and that God chooses some over the others. Not so. Imagine these are thus adult children, some who have decided to pursue a course of faith and and belief, and thus have "more" and some who have bucked against reality and the Bible and chosen to doubt and thus have "nothing." So God responds to those individual choices by giving those with faith even more to base their faith on. But for those who have chosen to be "goats" and doubt, he throws stumbling blocks in their way and many other things so that they are blinded to the truth.

So in the end, the elect are standing in a bright light, but those rejected are in total darkness.

Thus, as indicated in the Bible, while all start off as being invited into the kingdom and potential grapes, some are harvested and become fine wine and some become the "grapes of wrath" and are cast out! Some are sheep and some are goats. Some are wheat and some are tares. Some are fine fish and some are worthless fish. Some are wise virgins and some foolish, etc.

JUDGMENT DAY will be a special event. Here, ALL come back to life, including the wicked. This means ALL wll know and understand everything about God and his purpose. This means the wicked will see what the righteous are given and what they are missing out on before their final death. Those coming back on Judgment Day do not die in ignorance, but in "torment" for what they lost.

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God's name and the New Testament a new argument

by slimboyfat in

an interesting recent article on the divine name in early christianity.. the author is surely a witness apologist.

a friend of furuli perhaps?.

search google for the pdf of:.

Larsinger58

The name of God, YHWH, had a special sound and a special pronunciation and a special meaning in Hebrew. Translating all that into another language and culture diminished that meaning. So apparently it was decided best not to translate the name, but to leave it holy and special in its original language. Thus "God" and "Lord" were used to refer to the creator in other languages. That is why it does not appear in the surviving transcripts.

The key here is remaining faithful to the transcript of scripture or changing the transcript to insert what was never there based on interpretation. When you are unfaithful to the transcript, you are not translating the Bible but creating a commentary or exegetical document, thus it defiles the original text.

Of course, some texts present a potential interpretation anyway, such as a reference to "those belonging to the Lord" can refer to either Jehovah or to Christ. Which one? If the translator decides it should be Jehovah, then that is just their personal opinion, which then corrupts the scripture.

"Obedience is better than sacrifice."

Revelation clearly says not to change one thing in the holy scriptures, but the WTS decides otherwise. That is why it is called in the Bible, "the man of lawlessness."

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Infographic on the March 2013 Awake

by RayPublisher in

the watchtower has chided its members repeatedly for many years about not reading anything it deems unsuitable, especially when it is composed by former members.. interestingly, the new march 2013 awake magazine pages 10-11 has an article about a woman that studied and then converted from judaism to jehovah's witnesses.

there are three key points in the article that actually encourage those with discernment to go against the watchtower ban on books written by those with dissenting views.

see if you can catch the clues by clicking below to read the article:.

Larsinger58

One thing to keep in mind is that Jesus sent out TEN SLAVES to do business until he came. Only one of those ten ended up being the "evil slave." The evil slave is the WTS. But that means many other "ministries" are producing the right kind of fruitage for the kingdom, and it also means being a JW is not the only way to potentially get into the kingdom.

so Christ is reaping in many different places, not just from the WTS, out of which there is a "little flock" which he harvests, meaning the majority of the witnesses are not qualified or chosen for the kingdom. But of that "little flock" out of the WTS, he says: "I have OTHER SHEEP NOT OF THIS FOLD...." meaning, again, Christ gathers his sheep in various places under different ministries. The number "ten" per even the witnesses represents "earthly completeness" and thus is not literal but symbolic of the whole number of different "ministries" from which the elect are selected.

So fine for her she choose the WTS for whatever reasons -- but that is just one slave out of many others where Christ is gathering his elect. The idea that some other ministry or religion will produce some of the elect and that JWs are not the ONLY true religion, just doesn't do it for them.

But ask a JW about who the TEN SLAVES are! Anyone can see this means more than one ministry going on. They call the GB the "faithful and discreet slave" so it is not difficult to see how each "slave" has his own ministry, and each produces accordingly!

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The importance of 1975 or was that 1976?

by Listener in

i came across an article in the feb 1, 1955 watchtower (questions from readers) which discusses 1976 as being 6,000 years since the creation of adam.

the question being addressed was -.

what are the reasons for changing the date of adams creation first from 4028 b.c.

Larsinger58

CHRONOLOGY TECHNICAL NOTE: Just for those who are following the chronology and making comparisons. Note that the WTS adds 20 years during the NB Period to get 607 BCE out of 537 BCE. 537 BCE is the date of the return which follows 70 years of exile. They date the desolation of the land in the same year Jerusalem falls, which they incorrectly date to year 18 rather than 19. Regardless of that, at this point the WTS' timeline is some 20 years earlier than that of the popular secular timeline, which dates the fall of Jerusalem, also in year 18, to 587 BCE, a date widely accepted in the academic world.

But then, during the divided-kingdom period, secular chronologists follow E.R. Thiele who found some 47 years of co-rulerships which the WTS didn't seem to be able to comprehend. They just end-to-end the kingships of the Judean kings. So by the time of the Exodus, the WTS is some 67 years earlier than the secular chronologists. From the Exodus back to the creation of Adam is fairly basic. The WTS dates the Exodus in 1513 BCE and the secularists based on the invasion by Shishak in 925 BCE, to 1446 BCE.

1513 - 1446 = 67 years.

Of note, the Bible's relative chronology from Shishak's invasion back to the Assyrian eponym eclipse matches well with the 47-year reduction via co-rulerships found by Thiele, a period of 54 years. The Bible's chronology based on the jubilee cycles, introduces 19 jubilees between the Exodus and the return from Babylon, a period of 931 years (19 x 49 = 931). The secular chronology shows this period to be about 909 years from 1446 to 537 BCE, so only about a 22-year difference.

When we compare the "absolute chronology," though, the Bible's dating where the 1st of Cyrus falls in 537 BCE, dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE. This would be some 40 years later than the secular dating of 1446 BCE (1446 - 1386 BCE); but some 127 years later than the expanded WTS chronology.

Thus for those who wonder how the concept of the 7000-year reign in relation to man's existence of 6000 years still can be worked out, it can when we realize that the WTS' dating for the creation of Adam is some 127 years too early per Bible chronology, and thus so is 1975/1976. 6000 years of man's creation, thus ends 127 years later than 1975 and thus closer to c. 2102 AD.

But 2102 AD does not really replace 1975 that well as a predictable date for when the millennium must begin. That's because per Revelation, it is clear the millennium occurs before Satan is let loose and before Judgment Day. These events though occur before the beginning of the 8th Creative Day, when God comes to make "all things new." So if we presume say 20 years for Satan's last test and as much as 100 years for Judgment Day, then we have to introduce 120 years earlier for the beginning of the millennium. That alone would move the millium up in time from 2102 to 1982.

1982 is a past date and the millennium has not begun. But there is potentially another error in the WTS' thinking. Even they say it would have taken some time for Adam to name all the animals and to see creation and study it. And what's the rush? Why not allow Adam a time to develop personally and individually before saddling him with a wife? Jesus was 30 before ending his family obligations and becoming the messiah. So some feel it is more likely Adam was closer to 30 years of age before Eve was created and before the 7th Creative Day ended. If so we can add 29 years to 1982 and get 2011 AD. Jesus actually died at 33.5 though so that's the Spring of 2015.

Now all of this is speculation and manipulation but it is clear that there is plenty of time before the end of 6000 years of the 7th creative day, so Jehovah can bring about Armageddon whenever he wishes.

But another indicator that it still must be close is the date of the 2nd coming, which occurs in 1992. It is approaching 21 years since that event. Still relatively a "short while" to allow for Christ to seal the elect and Satan to prepare the world for Armageddon, at which time the UN will be ruling. But how soon will this take place? We know it will happen suddenly, so it could happen at any time. Of course, the UN prophesied in the bible is very much here and very much being given more and more authority and responsibility in the world.

There are a couple of things though that I noticed that are consistent with a new world government being secretly formed. So this is still no time to relax. Per the Bible, BTG is destroyed "a time and a season" prior to Armageddon/great tribulation; thus just over a year, but that time may be "cut short" like the previous "great tribulation" during WWII and the Holocaust.

IN CONCLUSION: In conclusion, after looking at many possibles, 1975 just seems to be a wrong date based on wrong chronology. But there is still plenty of time left for the 1000-year reign plus Satan's final test (20 years?) plus Judgment Day (100 years) before the very last 1000 years of the 7th Creative Day begins, likely c. 2132 AD.

Whlie the 2nd coming in 1992 and the great tribulation/Holocaust from 1940-1947 are dated in the Bible and fulfill Bible chronology, Armageddon remains God's own choice, with strong indicators God will cause it to happen at the very last minute, but still later than most of his followers expect as it is said that it would seem "delayed" but "will not be LATE." The longer God "delays", of course, the more people might be saved and given time to repent, etc. Or, perhaps, God is allowing more time for more people who are now being born to reach the age of majority. We may be waiting for some very important person recently born to reach the age of majority so he or she can be anointed into the kingdom before Armgeddon comes.

Anyway, its a waiting game at this point; the major event of the 2nd coming has come true and already occurred in 1992. So far everything has been on schedule and fulfilled. Plus it is now quite easy to correct the incorrect timeline using archaeology, C14 dating or astronomical texts, like the VAT4956 and the SK400. So little excuses for a bad timeline at this point.

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The importance of 1975 or was that 1976?

by Listener in

i came across an article in the feb 1, 1955 watchtower (questions from readers) which discusses 1976 as being 6,000 years since the creation of adam.

the question being addressed was -.

what are the reasons for changing the date of adams creation first from 4028 b.c.

Larsinger58

i can't see anything significant about 1975, even coincidentally. It falls within the 7-year mid-week of 1973-1980 of the jubilee period of 49 years from 1947-1996. I don't see any real significance to it.

I do remember I had just been reinstated at the time or I was soon to be reinstated. I remember attending the 1975 District Convention at Dodger's Stadium and hearing the final talk. They were hyping up 1975 and even saying they were forced to make reservations for conventions the following year because it has to be done a year in advance, basically. But they were basically doing it out of necessity, "just in case", rather than out of expectation that the world would still be here.

But then, finally, they announced the increased expansion of the printing facilities and huge plans of increasing the production at Bethel. I just shook my head and smiled. That was a simple indication that some at Bethel were just tolerating the 1975 chronology but were not taking any chances on being slack in case that date was wrong. They would not let 1975 slow them down, but would be found busy and focussed in the preaching work. If 1975 brought what they thought, then fine, but if not, this wasn't going to distract them from being busy when Christ returned to bring Armageddon. I laughed to myself knowing full well, that while some at Bethel were into 1975, some others were not buying it! But by now I had concluded the WTS was imperfect and made mistakes and corrections so while the "true religion," if this was a mistake, it would only join other wrong predicted dates, like 1925.

PERSONAL NOTE: I think it was at this assembly as well that there was a talk about making a secret vow to Jehovah in your heart and keeping it once you got into the new order. I thought to myself that I was going to try to get around that and get in without making a secret vow. I don't know if I was being lazy or what? But once I became the messiah and after Jehovah said, "This is my son whom I have approved", he reminded me of my secret avoidance of that vow, how I had said in my heart I would not make a vow. In other words, if it came down to it, I wanted to get in without giving my all. I was going to try to get away with a minimum sacrifice instead of a wholesouled sacrifice. This showed even in me, who I considered myself to be very devoted, not to be so whole-souled. So here Jehovah was reminding me of this and, of course, I was impressed that he was listening to my thoughts when I said to myself I would not make a secret vow or I would try to avoid it if possible. So Jehovah actually heard this in my heart and called me on it. So I had to make a vow in connection with accepting being the Christ. That is, I'm under contradict to do what is necessary for this task.

It's ironic. But somehow, I suppose I have a strong sense of honoring contracts. So in time of weakness, maybe when I'm not sooo enthusiastic about doing something connected with the kingdom (I guess I'm human and imperfect after all!), then I remember I'm under contract to do this, and somehow it makes it easier to do. Like a job you don't like or going to school. We may not want to, but we get the focus to do it because we have to. In our minds it is not a choice to go to work or not and be on time, this is part of what we have to do or lose our job. It takes the emotion out of it. We don't get up 5 mornings out of the week and debate with ourselves whether or not we should go to work. Plus you have the weight of everything that would be lost if we break that contract. Plus, others are depending on you and expecting you to show up. So those are all things that complicate a purely personal decision or choice that forces you to do what you're supposed to do. I suppose everybody needs that extra little "kick" in the butt to do what we need to do when our bodies and minds get lazy or tired.

Thus doing something by choice or for fun is not the same as doing something as a "job." So in this case, being the Christ, it turns out I'm under contract with Jehovah to do what I'm supposed to do, even when the times get tough. It is a way of suspending the emotions. People get the energy to do things when they are obligated to others, particularly the government or other authority to do it.

It's different when you are under contract to do something than if you're freelancing. It does make a difference. If someone has you under contract to paint their house a certain color, then you're emotionally out of it. You follow the instructions and get it done. You're not involved emotionally. Maybe or obviously Jehovah understood my nature and knew I'd perform more competently "under contract" as the messiah than otherwise.

But it is funny too, because someone was talking about the "sign of Jonah" before. Some focus on the three days and three nights or other issues, but in fact, Jonah was another version of the "prodigal son." He, like the prodigal son, ran away from his obligation, being distracted by his emotional point of view; but eventually, he returned to his assignment.

So anyway, besides being chosen for being the physical body of Christ at the second coming, I basically had to 'sign" a contract (make a vow) to carry out this mission. Somehow, seeing this as a "job" makes it easier. Or at least, it gives you strength to do more when the times get rough.

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The importance of 1975 or was that 1976?

by Listener in

i came across an article in the feb 1, 1955 watchtower (questions from readers) which discusses 1976 as being 6,000 years since the creation of adam.

the question being addressed was -.

what are the reasons for changing the date of adams creation first from 4028 b.c.

Larsinger58

From the 1955 "Questions From Readers":

Undue concern seems to be manifested as to the date of Adam’s creation and some ask, What are the reasons for changing the creation date of Adam first from 4028 B.C. to 4026 B.C. and now recently in the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” to 4025 B.C.? Let us examine the advancements made in Bible chronology that have warranted the above adjustments as we have moved forward to newer positions of light as to God’s Word.—Prov. 4:18.

While preparing in 1944 the book “The Kingdom Is at Hand” a two-year error was detected by internal Bible scholarship. In the following quotation from this 1944 publication of the Society, full explanation is offered: “In the book ‘The Truth Shall Make You Free’, published in 1943, the chronology on pages 150, 151 concerning the kings of Jerusalem, from Solomon’s successor to Zedekiah, is based on the book of 2 Chronicles, chapters 12 to 36. This appears to show the reigns of those kings as successive, end to end. Actually, however, this was not so, as is plainly shown in the books of 1 and 2 Kings, which books give us a countercheck on the successors of Solomon by a comparison of these kings of Judah with the neighbor kings of the ten-tribe kingdom of Israel. . . . Measured by 2 Chronicles, the period of kings from Saul to Zedekiah was 513 years. Measured by the more precise and detailed books of Kings, the period was actually 511 years, or 2 years less. This fact affects the chronology as a whole and pulls man’s creation 2 years closer to A.D. 1 and gives it the date 4026 B.C., not 4028 B.C.”—Footnote, page 171.

In 1953 in preparing the chart that appears in the book “New Heavens and a New Earth” a one-year error was brought to light. By the aid of the New World Translation of the Hebrew Scriptures the difference between the two numbers appearing at Genesis 7:6 and Genesis 7:11 became apparent, especially since there are two different Hebrew words here maintaining a distinct difference. At Genesis 7:6 the number 600 referring to Noah’s age means 600 full years, being what is generally termed a cardinal number. Whereas at Genesis 7:11 the number “600th,” an ordinal number, means 599 full years plus a portion of another year. For example, this is said to be the twentieth century, meaning there have been nineteen full centuries in the past and we are now fifty-four years along in the next century. To reconcile these two different numbers properly translated from the Hebrew text, the position clearly appeared that Noah must have entered the ark in November upon the beginning of the flood when he was 599 years old plus some months. But that while he was in the ark some months later with the deluge waters still occurring upon the earth, Noah had a birthday rounding out his full 600 years. Inasmuch as previously our chronology considered Noah as 600 full years old when he entered the ark, instead of the actual 599 years and some months, as we now see, this has meant that the preflood dates must be shrunk by one year, this bringing Adam’s creation for the fall of 4025 B.C. Incidentally, Jesus, who became the second or “last Adam,” was born in the fall of the year around the first of October.—1 Cor. 15:45, NW.

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Jesus Christ and OT prophecies...

by mP in

while discussing the mosaic law, christalone made the statement that jesus life fulfilled numerous ot prophecies.

i have listed them below and will address a few as i promised.

christalone:.

Larsinger58

This is a very interesting thread. A couple of things strike me almost immediately though.

One is the fact that so much in the Bible is figurative and with double meanings. For instance, "Nazareth" likely was a nick-name for some town, like we call New York the "Big Apple." Nazareth means branch-town and a branch or a twig is a figurative term for a eunuch. Thus when the Bible says he will be called a "Nazarene" it is a play on that concept that he would be known as a eunuch. This was something that was open in that culture and often two men who were eunuchs paired up in an aesexual relationship and openly displayed their love for each, much like two cousins who become very close. Thus when the NT refers to John as the "disciple Jesus loved" it has a lot more meaning. John and Jesus had a special relationship. Now I don't see many of these critics trying to look deeper into this meaning, but once you know Jesus was openly a "eunuch", it is safe to say Jesus and John were in love with each other, but in an appropriate cultural relationship between two eunuchs.

The other thing is this, particularly in mentioning some of the heavies and intellectuals that post here. Some of this stuff is well researched and verey technical. But what immediately strikes me is why if you go to this level to dissect the Bible, you don't know about the pagan revisionism during the 5th Century BCE? I mean, why not dissect the pagans as much as you do the Bible? So I tend to find a bit of dishonesty with some of these discussion because they are not across the board. They are hard-hitting challenges to the Bible, which is fine, but if they did as much research and investigation of pagan history, they would know about revisions and the original timeline. But when that comes up, they pretend to be deaf, dumb and blind.

Case in point, is the fall of LBA Jericho between 1350-1325 BCE. This is the destructive level linked with the Israelites by the archaeologist Dame Kathleen Kenyon. But is because the previous destruction at the MBA level was clearly the work of the Egyptians when the Hyksos were expelled. The Egyptians burned the outside of the walls which were superheated and then caught the inner city on fire. Point is, once you date the only time the Israelites could have possibly destroyed Jericho, which is the LBA town followed by a long period of 400+ years of desolation, then it automatically tells you who was ruling at the time of the Exodus, which was Amenhotep III. Once you investigate him fully and his successor, Akhenaten, it is clear this is the time the Exodus and the 10 plagues occurred. Now this is very basic. So where are the smart people who are developing this?

I'll tell you where they are: they are no where to be found, because so much of the focus is on proving the Bible wrong and nothing else. But occasionally when something really obvious occurs that actually supports the Bible, everyone pretends to be dumb.

But even so, it is known that "interpretation belongs to God" which means out of several possible interpretations, God chooses the one he wishes. Some try to find a contradiction in just one potential interpretation and that makes them happy and assures them the Bible is incorrect. Well God allows for that stumbling block for them to take place. But in the end, God might have a unique interpretation of prophecy that gets fulfilled.

For instance, "out of Egypt I called my son" has a double fulfillment. First, it refers to Jesus at the 1st coming being taken down to Egypt when he was fleeing from Herod. But since Christ is born through the tribe of Josephus/Ephraim at the 2nd coming, since Joseph's sons were half Egyptian, then "out of Egypt I called my son" is fulfilled by Christ being born through the tribe of Joseph at the second coming.

Now one one place the Bible says "there are many gods and many lords" and in another that there is just "one god and one lord." That looks like a direct contradiction to me!

So I love this focus and intensity of criticism, but let's apply the same to the pagans!! Let's figure out why it is said that Plato was consulted in year 2 of the Peloponnesian War, now dated to 430 BCE and he wasn't even born until 428 BCE. Let's try and have some really smart people here comment on that!

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Quantifying the 1914 mantra - is this possible?

by NeverKnew in

for those who do not believe 1914 is a big deal and it's not necessary to understand it, think again.

once (and if) my friend acknowledges that 1914 just simply isn't true, i want to make it clear that this would mean that every single time a statement was made with respect to 1914 it was a lie and according to your wt cd, there were at least (x) times this date was cited.

i want to ask how many awake magazines may have been distributed in the number of years that it held that 1914 statement.... cause everytime an awake magazine with the 1914 statement was distributed by the adherents, they promoted and distributed a lie.

Larsinger58

1914 is a complex issue. JWs were divinely inspired to focus on that date as well as 1874.

1874 begins a generation of 120 years from 1874-1994 and 1914 begins a generation of 80 years from 1914 to 1994. So both dates are relevant though not well understood.

It could be said that the "parousia" began in 1874, and the "last generation" began in 1914. But there are two misconceptions by the witnesses about 1914:

1) MISCONCEPTION #1: 1914 ends the "gentile times." WRONG! The gentile times ended on November 30, 1947, when the official Jewish exile ended and the Jews had a country to call their own again.

2) MISCONCEPTION #2: 1914 ends the 2520 years and thus marks the date of the 2nd coming. WRONG! This is based on revised history dates. The 1st of Cyrus per the Bible must occur in 455 BCE, meaning the 23rd of Nebuchadnezzar II, the year of the last deportation, occurs in 525 BCE and the fall of Jerusalem, year 19, falls in 529 BCE. This corrected timeline dates the 2nd coming between the Summer of 1992 and the Summer of 1993 per the Bible. So 1914 does not date the 2nd coming, though the concept of 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem is correctly understood by JWs.

BUT 1914 IS STILL A GOOD DATE for beginning the "last generation" of 80 years from 1914-1994. This would mean that Christ must arrive before the end of that generation in 1994. Per the corrected timeline, the 2nd coming dates to 1992 so that would be consistent with that prophecy and interpretation.

BTW, 1914 is also wrong because the 70 years of desolation and exile are linked to year 23, the year of the last deportation, and not year 18, as the witnesses are now claiming. So more than the "absolute" dating is wrong with 1914, the "relative" dating is also incorrect! But 1914 is still a legitimate Biblical date to begin the "last generation" which specifically begins with a world war (i.e. nation vs. nation, kingdom vs. kingdom, etc.)