Jesus Christ and OT prophecies...

by mP 17 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  mP

  While discussing the Mosaic law, ChristAlone made the statement that Jesus life fulfilled numerous OT prophecies. I have listed them below and will address a few as i promised

  ChristAlone:

  Because here are SOME of them:

  
  

  SUBJECT	OT Prophecy	NT Fulfillment
  As the Son of God	Ps 2:7	Lu 1:32,35
  As the seed of the woman	Ge 3:15	Ga 4:4
  As the seed of Abraham	Ge 17:7 22:18	Ga 3:16
  As the seed of Isaac	Ge 21:12	Heb 11:17-19
  As the seed of David	Ps 132:11 Jer 23:5	Ac 13:23 Ro 1:3
  His coming at a set time	Ge 49:10 Da 9:24,25	Lu 2:1
  His being born of a virgin	Isa 7:14	Mt 1:22,23 Lu 2:7
  His being called Immanuel	Isa 7:14	Mt 1:22,23
  His being born in Bethlehem of Judea	Mic 5:2	Mt 2:1 Lu 2:4-6
  Great persons coming to adore him	Ps 72:10	Mt 2:1-11
  The slaying of the children of Bethlehem	Jer 31:15	Mt 2:16-18
  His being called out of Egypt	Ho 11:1	Mt 2:15
  His being preceded by John the Baptist	Isa 40:3 Mal 3:1	Mt 3:1,3 Lu 1:17
  His being anointed with the Spirit	Ps 45:7 Isa 11:2 61:1	Mt 3:16 Joh 3:34 Ac 10:38
  His being a Prophet like to Moses	De 18:15-18	Ac 3:20-22
  His being a Priest after the order of Melchizedek	Ps 110:4	Heb 5:5,6
  His entering on his public ministry	Isa 61:1,2	Lu 4:16-21,43
  His ministry commencing in Galilee	Isa 9:1,2	Mt 4:12-16,23
  His entering publicly into Jerusalem	Zec 9:9	Mt 21:1-5
  His coming into the temple	Hag 2:7,9 Mal 3:1	Mt 21:12 Lu 2:27-32 Joh 2:13-16
  His poverty	Isa 53:2	Mr 6:3 Lu 9:58
  His meekness and want of ostentatious	Isa 42:2	Mt 12:15,16,19
  His tenderness and compassion	Isa 40:11 42:3	Mt 12:15,20 Heb 4:15
  His being without guile	Isa 53:9	1Pe 2:22
  His zeal	Ps 69:9	Joh 2:17
  His preaching by parables	Ps 78:2	Mt 13:34,35
  His working miracles	Isa 35:5,6	Mt 11:4-6 Joh 11:47
  His bearing reproach	Ps 22:6 69:7,9,20	Ro 15:3
  His being rejected by his brethren	Ps 69:8 Isa 63:3	Joh 1:11 7:3
  His being a stone of stumbling to the Jews	Isa 8:14	Ro 9:32 1Pe 2:8
  His being hated by the Jews	Ps 69:4 Isa 49:7	Joh 15:24,25
  His being rejected by the Jewish rulers	Ps 118:22	Mt 21:42 Joh 7:48
  That the Jews and Gentiles should combine against Him	Ps 2:1,2	Lu 23:12 Ac 4:27
  His being betrayed by a friend	Ps 41:9 55:12-14	Joh 13:18,21
  His disciples forsaking him	Zec 13:7	Mt 26:31,56
  His being sold for thirty pieces silver	Zec 11:12	Mt 26:15
  His price being given for the potter's field	Zec 11:13	Mt 27:7
  The intensity of his sufferings	Ps 22:14,15	Lu 22:42,44
  His sufferings being for others	Isa 53:4-6,12 Da 9:26	Mt 20:28
  His patience and silence under suffering	Isa 53:7	Mt 26:63 27:12-14
  His being smitten on the cheek	Mic 5:1	Mt 27:30
  His visage being marred	Isa 52:14 53:3	Joh 19:5
  His being spit on and scourged	Isa 50:6	Mr 14:65 Joh 19:1
  His hands and feet being nailed to the cross	Ps 22:16	Joh 19:18 20:25
  His being forsaken by God	Ps 22:1	Mt 27:46
  His being mocked	Ps 22:7,8	Mt 27:39-44
  Gall and vinegar being given him to drink	Ps 69:21	Mt 27:34
  His garments being parted, and lots cast for his vesture	Ps 22:18	Mt 27:35
  His being numbered with the transgressors	Isa 53:12	Mr 15:28
  His intercession for His murderers	Isa 53:12	Lu 23:34
  His Death	Isa 53:12	Mt 27:50
  That a bone of him should not be broken	Ex 12:46 Ps 34:20	Joh 19:33,36
  His being pierced	Zec 12:10	Joh 19:34,37
  His being buried with the rich	Isa 53:9	Mt 27:57-60
  His flesh not seeing corruption	Ps 16:10	Ac 2:31
  His resurrection	Ps 16:10 Isa 26:19	Lu 24:6,31,34
  His ascension	Ps 68:18	Lu 24:51 Ac 1:9
  His sitting on the right hand of God	Ps 110:1	Heb 1:3
  His exercising the priestly office in heaven	Zec 6:13	Ro 8:34
  His being the chief corner-stone of the Church	Isa 28:16	1Pe 2:6,7
  His being King in Zion	Ps 2:6	Lu 1:32 Joh 18:33-37
  The conversion of the Gentiles to him	Isa 11:10 42:1	Mt 1:17,21 Joh 10:16 Ac 10:45,47
  His righteous government	Ps 45:6,7	Joh 5:30 Re 19:11
  His universal dominion	Ps 72:8 Da 7:14	Php 2:9,11
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  mP

  His being a Prophet like to Moses

  De 18:15-18

  Ac 3:20-22

  THe text mentioned does not identify an inidividual but rather it helps one identify a true prophet. This is a LAW not a prophecy.

  There are lots of prophets in the OT after Moses.

  FAIL
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  mP

  His being born of a virgin

  Isa 7:14

  Mt 1:22,23 Lu 2:7

  Lets read a really old text and see what it says.

  Check the scripture and the *TRUE* meaning of the word. Even the NWT includes maiden and NOT virgin. Read the text for youself.

  You can read the articles on wiki and verify this for yourself and check with other authoritarian sources.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almah

  Almah ( ???? , plural: alamot ?????) is a Hebrew feminine noun used in the Hebrew bible for a young woman of childbearing age who has not yet had a child. [1] Christian Old Testaments typically translate it as virgin , maiden , young woman , damsel or girl , although scholars agree that "almah" has nothing to do with virginity. [2]

  http://www.qbible.com/hebrew-old-testament/isaiah/7.html

  ????? ?? ???????? ???

  7:14 läkhën yiTën ádonäy hû lä khem ôt hiNëh häal'mäh härähw'yoledet Bën w'qärät sh'm ô iMänû ël

  7:14 Therefore x3651 Yähwè ?????? 136 himself x1931 shall give 5414 z8799 you a sign; 226 Behold, x2009 a virgin 5959 shall conceive, y2030 x2029 and bear 3205 z8802 a son, 1121 and shall call 7121 z8804 his name 8034 `Immänû ´Ël ???????????? . 6005 y410

  Click on the link for VIRGIN & look at what Strongs's says. Strongs is the authority for BIble words, you can verify this if you dont bleieve me.

  http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/5959.html

  Strong's (Hebrew & Chaldee Dictionary of the Old Testament)

  • #5959.
  • ???????
  • almah (761c); fem. of 5958; a young woman, a virgin:—
  • NASB - girl(1), maid(1), maiden(1), maidens(3), virgin(1).

  We can see the word means a young woman who was often supposed to be a virgin. IT doesnt say VIRGIN EXCLUSIVELY.

  http://jw.org/en/publications/bible/isaiah/7

  Therefore Jehovah himself will give ? YOU ? men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im?man′u?el

  Q2

  Jesus was never called Immanuel and the text is clearly about Isaiahs kid and the problems of Israel with the Assyrians. Matthew says they will call him Immaneul but no except for that scripture the name Immanuel is never used for Jesus. IT doesnt even appear anywhere else in the NT.

  JESUS FAILS TWO THINGS HERE.
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  mP

  His tenderness and compassion

  Isa 40:11 42:3

  Mt 12:15,20 Heb 4:15

  Lots of people are kind and compassionate. Im pretty sure most mothers n fathers are. THi sis not a prophecy and could equally apply to billions of people in earths history.

  FAIL = Could apply to anyone.
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  mP

  His being born in Bethlehem of Judea

  Mic 5:2

  Mt 2:1 Lu 2:4-6

  Lets see what Micah really says.

  2 “And you, O Beth′le?hem Eph′ra?thah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.

  Bethlehem Ephratha h is not a town its a tribe. FAIL

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_prophecy

  Micah 5:2 – Matthew 2:6 quotes this prophecy as fulfillment of the prophecy: "But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah; for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shepherd of my people Israel." The verse in the Old Testament reads "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." It describes the clan of Bethlehem, who was the son of Caleb's second wife, Ephrathah. (1 Chr. 2:18, 2:50–52, 4:4)

  You can cehck out other sources and verify what or where BETHELEM EPHRATAH is.

  If you read the rest of the text it also says the messiah will defeat the Assyrians (v5) somehting Jesus never did.

  “Therefore he will give them up until the time that she who is giving birth actually gives birth. And the rest of his brothers will return to the sons of Israel.

  4 “And he will certainly stand and do shepherding in the strength of Jehovah, in the superiority of the name of Jehovah his God. And they will certainly keep dwelling, for now he will be great as far as the ends of the earth. 5 And this one must become peace. As for the As?syr′i?an, when he comes into our land and when he treads upon our dwelling towers, we shall also have to raise up against him seven shepherds, yes, eight dukes of mankind. 6 And they will actually shepherd the land of As?syr′i?a with the sword, and the land of Nim′rod in its entrances. And he will certainly bring about deliverance from the As?syr′i?an, when he comes into our land and when he treads upon our territory.

  THis text is not about Jesus. Again its about a different matter completely.

  FAIL

  THATS 4 SCIRPTURE 4 FAILS.

  Its completely dishonest to select the ones i have highlighted and twist them and say they point to jesus.
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  mP

  ChristAlone

  I have shown 4 of your list are utter failures and not even close. I would suggest thatyou actually read the text and see what it actually says. Start with the four i have selected.

  We can discuss other sin your list later.
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  WTWizard

  It is easy to fit these prophecies and their fulfillment when the whole LIE-ble was written some time after this nazarene came onto the scene. Just tweak the prophecies with their fulfillment so they match, claim an earlier date for the Old Testament, and then use that to "back up" the claim that the nazarene fulfilled the prophecies. Trouble is, didn't something like 18 other Deities fulfill many or all the same prophecies long before the nazarene came onto the scene? Odin and Horus are two I can think of.

  People should do their own research before committing to one theory. It is this stolen history, forced down people's throats as literal, that is why we don't have a Golden Age right now. This is why there is so much rubbish within the churches--Jewish, Christian, and Muslim are all the same crap. If people would trace the Jesus story back to its origin, they would find that he was nothing more than an embellished story (or fake) stolen from all the pagan Gods. And the more you trace it back to the point of origin, the more you realize the whole xian paradigm is a fake. And the jokehovian witlesses do nothing to address the real problem--in fact, they too treat it as literal.
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  mP

  Wizard :)

  Its funny how honest christians tell damn right lies all the time with a straight face. The virgin birth thing is a down right pathetic. Either it says virgin or it doesnt. The simple fact is even the scum bag WTS says MAIDEN. So the messiah will have a mother who is a maiden. WOW liek thats never hapepend before. Perhaps kids in Israel often had mother elephants or something and having a woman mother was rare. I guess we will never know.
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  Deputy Dog

  mP

  So you know lies condemn you!

  What are "damn right lies"?

  You said ealier they aren't sins, let alone damnable.
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  mP

  DeputyDog:

  So you know lies condemn you!

  MP:

  Where have i lied in the above 4 summaries ? I quoted the bible accurately and shown that people are lying. What facts or lies have i made ?

  Quote and correct otherwise apologise.