Posts by cyberjesus

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HELP! Sinning Elders can stay as elders if they have blessing! when did this happened?

by cyberjesus in

ok i have heard that at the beginning of the 80's the instruction said that the elders could remain as elders even if they had sinned 3 years before as long as their lives looked like they had jehovahs blessing.

i heard this instuction was givien in elders meeting.. does any one has more information?

i needed asap.

cyberjesus

Right on! thanks guys, its right there.,,, oh my dad is gonna is not gonna like this

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HELP! Sinning Elders can stay as elders if they have blessing! when did this happened?

by cyberjesus in

ok i have heard that at the beginning of the 80's the instruction said that the elders could remain as elders even if they had sinned 3 years before as long as their lives looked like they had jehovahs blessing.

i heard this instuction was givien in elders meeting.. does any one has more information?

i needed asap.

cyberjesus

Ok I have heard that at the beginning of the 80's the instruction said that the elders could remain as elders even if they had sinned 3 years before as long as their lives looked like they had Jehovahs blessing. I heard this instuction was givien in Elders meeting.

Does any one has more information? I needed ASAP

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HELP I need some ex-elders help for a phone conversation with my JW parents

by cyberjesus in

ok this is the deal: i was dfd 14 years ago, i was just planning to go back last year.

i had planned to come back with a clean conscience so i started to study and research the wt to prove to myself this was the truth, the elders had met with me to suggest me to submit a letter of reinstatement, in the same meeting i told them i had some questions that i needed help with before i was to go back.

they said they were gonna answer those questions after i was reinstated :-d so i went by myself and started doing my research.

cyberjesus

Ok my parents arrived. I had a 4 hour meeting with my Dad he was very receptive and listed, I tried the phobia intervention but, it didnt work as expected (I failed) or maybe it did cuz he listened and we spoke for at least for four hours. He said he will love me anyways as his son. I got some points across.

My mom was a little harder, although she is smarter she is more indoctrinated and all her phobias kicked in and started to cry, I made her realize that everything I said was turning on the APOSTATE phobia eventhough I never told her anything against the JW I only told her my journey of discovery and what got me to be in this place. She cried I reinforced that I loved her unconditionally but they were programmed like robots. I told her that I needed to find the truth on my own account and after 3 hours we stopped talking. Later on she text me back sayin that she understdood my point of view and was considering to respect it. I told her I had discovered that the WT flat out lie and that was the trigger.

I was so prepared but at the moment of talking to them I freaking panicked and forgot all my arguments Gosh Darn it!

But it went well, tonight I will show my dad Ray Franz letters to the GB

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Thank God for the E-Apostates and Satan's Internet! Thanks ALL of you!

by cyberjesus in

jw
friends

so many of you come here for recovery and some of you that are almost healed keep coming here and post all this articles and your letters and all the research and your experiences and in several post i have read that if only one person reads it and gets out of the borg then the time spent is worth it.. well i am one of those people.

i read this website and jwr and freeminds.org and jwfacts and thanks to all your posts and all the time you spent researching and posting and writting and even debating those jws that come to the board from time to tieme, thanks to your time spent my life or the remaining of it has been recovered.. so thank you all of you!

it doesnt matter what you believe right now.

cyberjesus

Hubert, Thanks for the concer brother, haha I know sounds very fatalist but in three months I went from thinking I was gonna live for sure another 1000 years to maybe another 40 tops... so my life expectancy went down drastically. :-) Every second that passes we are closer to the end. So every second counts! I just want to make sure I enjoy them all and thank they right people earlier than later, actually there no later :-)

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HELP I need some ex-elders help for a phone conversation with my JW parents

by cyberjesus in

ok this is the deal: i was dfd 14 years ago, i was just planning to go back last year.

i had planned to come back with a clean conscience so i started to study and research the wt to prove to myself this was the truth, the elders had met with me to suggest me to submit a letter of reinstatement, in the same meeting i told them i had some questions that i needed help with before i was to go back.

they said they were gonna answer those questions after i was reinstated :-d so i went by myself and started doing my research.

cyberjesus

Yes, Drew, Great point you are making, patience is a virtue! I think I learned the real patience not the fake JW type :-) I am planning to appeal to their own consience by presenting scenarios facing learning the true facts in a way that they can not just wait in Johova. And then switch it around to let them know this is my situation.

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Thank God for the E-Apostates and Satan's Internet! Thanks ALL of you!

by cyberjesus in

jw
friends

so many of you come here for recovery and some of you that are almost healed keep coming here and post all this articles and your letters and all the research and your experiences and in several post i have read that if only one person reads it and gets out of the borg then the time spent is worth it.. well i am one of those people.

i read this website and jwr and freeminds.org and jwfacts and thanks to all your posts and all the time you spent researching and posting and writting and even debating those jws that come to the board from time to tieme, thanks to your time spent my life or the remaining of it has been recovered.. so thank you all of you!

it doesnt matter what you believe right now.

cyberjesus

So many of you come here for recovery and some of you that are almost healed keep coming here and post all this articles and your letters and all the research and your experiences and in several post I have read that if only one person reads it and gets out of the BORG then the time spent is worth it.

Well I am one of those people. I read this website and JWR and freeminds.org and JWFACTS and thanks to all your posts and all the time you spent researching and posting and writting and even debating those JWs that come to the board from time to tieme, thanks to your time spent my life or the remaining of it has been recovered.

So Thank you all of you! It doesnt matter what you believe right now. As long as you posted an article for the benefit of others you rescued me and my children. I would give you a hug right now for your time. Cuz I know my time is valuable specially now that I know I dont have much left. But now my time is mine and I didnt know that!

So do you get it? I really appreciate this website and all your books, you freaking apostates!!! You have given me more life than Johova! 3 months ago I would kill myself for even thinking these things!!

Thanks.

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sex bad! sex bad!!!

by highdose in

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friends

just remembered some insane old laws that were preached from the platform when i was in:.

jazz: is a slang word for sex, therefore jazz is not for christians ( jw's).

rock and roll: ditto it describes sex therefore is bad.

cyberjesus

hey sex is good even out of a loving relationship, honey you dont need to love me lets do it!! :-)

Anyway... SEX IS REALLY BAD! so bad that johova spent countless hours designing the penis and the vagina so when we desired each other and actually did it we would get disfellowshipped so we would get distructed in Armageddon so it was easy for Jesus to Identify the bad people and save the ones who didnt do it.

Its that bad that the Elders spent so much time in JCs getting all the detail about how much pleasure we obtained and what we saw and did and how much we enjoyed doing that weird thing called sex.

The first time I got an erection was reading the Congretation files that my dad left in the bookcase back in the day :-) Im sure it was all pre-arranged by johova and his holly ghost so I could sin later on.

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Inability to develop close connections with others

by Lemon_Lime_Shasta in

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friends

hi all, i'm still pretty new here, but i wanted to talk about something more substansive than low quality generic soda brands (my first post and my logon name).. of all the negative side effects of my dub past, the one that still haunts me the most is my complete inability to develop any sort of depth in my relationships with others.

i'm not one to blame all my personal problems on the wbts, but i can't help but feel that it was a significant contributing factor.

i still hate talking about my past, and i work very hard to hide all aspects of my jw past from anyone i meet.

cyberjesus

Welcome!, not only you but most of us, remember we are told you are only good if you love johovah, so we learned all other people are wicked, so bad that they are gonna be destructed in Armageddon so why should we even mixed with them? Also we think of if you are not good then you are bad.

I ve been Dfd for 14 years. only 3 months ago I opened my eyes. So during these years I went from girl to gilr they allways werent good enuf cuz they didnt love johova, I didnt really develop friends and the friends I used to have were gone with the religion so I was a loner for 14 years. Just recently started developing real friendships and now I m proud to say i was a JW not cuz im proud of the JW but becuse I am proud of being an ex-JW until i become an ex-exJW

Cheers,

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HELP I need some ex-elders help for a phone conversation with my JW parents

by cyberjesus in

ok this is the deal: i was dfd 14 years ago, i was just planning to go back last year.

i had planned to come back with a clean conscience so i started to study and research the wt to prove to myself this was the truth, the elders had met with me to suggest me to submit a letter of reinstatement, in the same meeting i told them i had some questions that i needed help with before i was to go back.

they said they were gonna answer those questions after i was reinstated :-d so i went by myself and started doing my research.

cyberjesus

THANK YOU ALL !!! for your comments they are deeeply appreciated. I will read those quotes and books :)

The Oracle: that is good advice, I will be like King David (the bible version) :-)

ATJ: Thanks for you story. It does help me. I think I am gonna go very slow and sense every moment and stop when I think I gotta stop. Thast the difficult part. But I will call in several passages of my life when I trusted them and they trusted me.

Im gonna start with the following which happened when I was 3 and 11

Dad, remember when I was 3 and we use to walk for hours to go preaching? remember the time when I was so tired of walking and I told you I was really tired and you asked me to remember who was giving us strength? Remember that I said "Jehovah" and therefore I continued walking? rembember at that age I had already learned about everything you told me and I trusted your everyword. The Fact is that when you finnally picked me up on your shoulders and after a while you got tired yourself and told me you were tired, remember what i asked you? Yes I asked you the same thing. I trusted you and Jehovah with my heart and mind

And remember when I was about to get expelled from High School for not saluting the flag and we had the meeting with the principal. I stood there and said that my trainned conscience due to bible study wouldnt let me do anything against God and that my conscience would bug me if I did?

Well the I am the same person, I still love you even more and my conscience is still working and my love for God led me to study even deeper the "truths" I had learned......

Then I will proceed to talk about the Phobias, thought stoppers, SO they are more willing to hear. Then I will show how other cults insert phobias in their members, then I will ask if the JW have similar phobias, then i will asked them if there is anything they fear? and if there is anything they dont like about the org.

I am gonna try to have them talk to me about their doubts, not mine. Cus they all have doubts. ALL JWs have doubts and fears. They just cant talk about them (epiphany here). Once they start talking about them I would ask them if there is something that will make them ever leave.... dig dig dig, what if, what if, what if.... and then and only then I will tell them what happened to me, and what i discovered and will ask them what would they do in my case with a good consience.

I will not try to attack their faith. (i will let them do it themselves)

Im so nervous.....

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A question for all ex jws AND JW's here, btw I'm new too

by EndofMysteries in

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friends

so far quite dissappointed from what i've seen.

this is very very important, first i"ll address the non/ex jw then i'll address the jw's (jw's scroll down if don't wanna see the first part).

i see so many who have concluded that it was not 'god inspired', a lot of what is being done, and their conscience told them that many things conflicted with jesus teachings and the bible.

cyberjesus

EOFM

Welcome,

First of all, in this place MOST of us have studied the bible. If we are DFd means we had to study we had faith, we preached we gave our lifes to the WT and were sincere, AMOF there are some ex-Gillead missionaries alot of Ex-Bethelites Tones of Ex-Elders, Ex-MS Ex-Pioneers etc.

I know what you are going thru, you just need to understand is just a stage in your seach for truth. And that is a good thing. Continue reading and doing your research. Do not try to probe a point because most likely your point is gonna be your past believes. Rather study to find everything new. And you will. You might not like what you will find but is gonna be the truth.

Crisis of Consciense is a must read by Ray Franz and Releasing the Bonds by Steven Hassan. Then The Bible Unearthed. Then come back on post your new perspectives.

Have Fun,