Posts by cheerios

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QFR feb 15th 2010 - lets be honest , we haven't got a clue...

by dozy in

the questions from readers feb 15th 2011 raises the (no doubt burning in many jws minds) question about why moses became angry with aarons 2 sons after the death of their brothers.. the wtbts undertakes to answer this question but really doesn't seem unsure of themselves (perhaps the channel of communication was suffering some interference that day.

) notice the numerous ways that the wtbts in a short (half page) article hedges its bets.

it reminded me of a schoolboy cooking up a story when he was caught with his hands in the cookie jar , vacillating & hedging as he tries to think up an acceptable answer.. it appears that , the surviving priests had evidently acted , aaron may have wondered , perhaps he felt , aaron mayespecially have reasoned , aaron may have thought , moses seems to have accepted , evidently, jehovah too was satisfied.. .

cheerios

who the hell would EVER ask that question? what it should say:

q: why did moses become angry with aaron's 2 sons after the death of their brothers?

a: who the #@$# (read: fig) cares?

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Interesting observation?

by booby in

in the february watchtower a word search to the pdf found only two references to "faithful and discreet slave" and zero yes zero to governing body.. not sayin much effort is required to find lottsa goofy stuff, but just surprised.

they must be reading and diseminating this web site..

cheerios

until i went to college i had no idea that the 'leading group' of a corporation is called the 'board of directors' or the 'governing body' ... interesting eh?

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shunning is love - Feb 15 2011 Watchtower

by jj123jj123 in

18 if you face a similar situation, please remember that jehovah sympathizes with you.

by cutting off contact with the disfellowshipped or disassociated one, you are showing that you hate the attitudes and actions that led to that outcome.

however, you are also showing that you love the wrongdoer enough to do what is best for him or her.

cheerios

>> One individual who was disfellowshipped and was later reinstated wrote: “I am happy that Jehovah loves his people enough to see that his organization is kept clean. What may seem harsh to outsiders is both necessary and really a loving thing to do.” <<

I bet that was the legendary 'Andre' ... that guy really gets around

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Why don't JWs celebrate Thanksgiving

by levicolemagic in

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friends

my first post here.

i wrote this little article about why jws don't celebrate thanksgiving.. check it out here: http://hubpages.com/hub/what-jehovahs-witnesses-believe.

let me know what you think of it.. god bless.

cheerios

it's simple .. the indians weren't pyramidologists ... so therefore, they were evil apostates

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Feb. 15 Study WT - More creationism and stupidity - A response

by eric356 in

well, the wt is back on it: "today, there is a rising tide of atheistic and evolutionist propaganda dependent on flawed and baseless reasoning.

we should not let this flood of faulty thinking confuse or intimidate us.

" (pg.

cheerios

is there a point to this thread? :(

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Sayings of Everlasting Life heard "Nowhere Else" but in JW Organization?

by InterestedOne in

i just finished reading the 9/15/2010 wt study edition article for nov 8-14, and the last few sentences of paragraph 7 on page 18 jumped out at me.

referring to the "one association" which i assume means the jw organization, the author says "... where else can we turn?

nowhere else can we hear the sayings of everlasting life.

cheerios

welcome IO. sad to say, all the comments thus far have been spot on. it's too bad that the average dub cannot see the truth about the Truth ... good to see you exercising brilliant critical thinking skills! carry on!

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1914 - What is the importance of this date?

by sabastious in

"we don't live for dates".

i have heard this a lot in my lifetime when witnesses get approached with any critical thinking of the 1914 year date.. this sounds good, at face value, but it's so disconcerting to hear them minimize this date when they will jump all over it as "proof" of their organization's divinity.. without dates such as 1914 societies like the watchtower simply would not exist.

the watchtower needed these dates to anticipate and use as selling points.. remember, before 1914 there were not very many witnesses.

cheerios

@lets think: haha never thought about it that way before ... that's excellent

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Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

by brotherdan in

not according to c.t russell.

in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

"that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

cheerios

@aguest: well thank you for your reply :) i cannot say that i quite agree with some of what you wrote, but we are in total agreement that the WTS has a horrible god that is not worthy of anything but deposing. and yes, i must admit, that i do believe that my experience with the jahwidiots has tainted my view towards christianity, but that is something that i am working on.

and thank you for explaining your communication style. i think you may have misunderstood my question a little, but your answers definitely tell me that you're not condescending. (i have been called such and spoken to by a member of the GB and other holier-than-thou dubs before - and they were condescending, so i get a little agitated when i hear such speech.) It's just your communication style. and that's fine by me :)

as to the sign - yeah, i struggle with that. i dont seem to have any faith; however, at the same time, i question why i should have to even have faith.

btw, you really seem to enjoy contract law ... i fell asleep in contract law in school :) to me it's quite the yawner ... explains why i didn't do very well in that class haha

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AGuest:

by Vicosovich_R in

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friends

do you believe that just because you start your posts with, may you have peace, that you are genuinely kind?

when in actuality, when you greet people with that message, then follow it with sarcasm and snide remarks, you are really being cruel.

when was cruelty ever synonymous with being faithful?

cheerios

wow ... okay i admit i don't get her greeting style either, but at least i *asked* her what her intention was in a different thread (before i saw this thread).

i dont think that the OP has any call to attack her like that. i dont agree with a lot of what she says either, but so what? we're all entitled to our opinion. i for one intend to learn some things from her, things that i truly just don't get. then i'll make my own judgement. that's what grownups do, yes?

OP needs the boot. no call for that kind of behaviour.

~c

btw: i am a follower of Outlaw .. just sayin

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Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

by brotherdan in

not according to c.t russell.

in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

"that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

cheerios

>> You live in a time 3,000 years since... and are trying to apply your "logic" to that time. That... is illogical.

@aguest: i do not really understand your comments. you state that you've studied contract law - modern contract law? have you studied ancient hebrew contract law? is there even such a course? if there isn't, then how can you possibly understand the full extent of their law? you wouldn't be able to. you would be applying your study of MODERN contract law to what the hebrews did (or allegedly what god told them to do). our system of laws (and that is relative to where you live), while in principal may seem similar, has a very different spirit. if i am illogical for applying my modern views to those days, wouldn't that make you the same?

secondly, slavery absolutely is condoned in the bible - so long as you're not a hebrew. the jah of the ot had no problem with them taking slaves, genocide, abuse of women, etc. was it their custom then? yes. is it acceptable today? no. should it have been acceptable to a loving god that as he clearly states that he does not change for times indefinite to times indefinite ... i wouldn't like to think so. as to the hebrews not denigrating women .. are you saying that women were equal to the men? did the woman have a choice in who she was 'sold to' in marriage? what happened if she fooled around, as young people tend to do ... didn't she become 'damaged goods' ... well, as you state, perhaps that is my modern viewpoint from today's society, but since jah of the ot does not change ... stands to reason that he would feel that way now. the WTS certainly doesnt treat women equally ... and that is their god.

thirdly, i'm not certain how to take your greeting or your communication style. you call me "dear one" - as you do not know me, that sounds a little condescending. also, you write as if you are writing to a child - as i am not a child, that is also slightly insulting. as you seem to be a nice person, i thought i'd ask you if that was your intention? if it's not, great (and i shall not take it as such). just trying to understand your communication style. i enjoy debating, but only when it is non-offensive.

what i appreciate about you is that you have faith in the bible and god. i do not, however, and probably that is because of the WTS. that does not mean that i am not open to learning more about god, if he indeed does exist and is different than the god worshipped by the WTS. (i want nothing to do with that god - if that makes me a heathen, than so be it.) but many tend to feel that there is a nicer god. so i am open to learning about him/her/it; however, i want some type of empirical evidence presented by people who are not blind zealots - i do not see any difference between those people and WTS. if there is a god, that shouldn't be too difficult for him to provide.