Posts by cheerios

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Cardboard books for JW children

by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

jw
friends

http://goo.gl/wvyj.

i purposely masked the site name and book name; don't want web searches taking the author here.

it's a new line of cardboard books for jw children.. i found a copy of this one... shall i post a pdf scan?.

cheerios

i cant wait for the later books: My First Judicial Committee, Sitting at the Back, Waiting for Privileges, Yes - Girls ARE Bad, Elders - Thank Jah We Have Them Because We Suck, and finally: OMFG This Religion SUX

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Are some Jehovah's Witnesses delusional?

by asilentone in

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cheerios

i think you have to be to agree to some of their nonsense. either that or cognitive dissonance is kicked into mega warpspeed overdrive

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What made you start questioning: people or doctrine?

by In in

let us know what got you questioning wbts in the first place.

i've got a theory that it starts with people hurting us and only then does the "apostate" turn to looking at the beliefs.. anybody who started questioning beliefs first?.

cheerios

it was the people for me too. i had some problems with my now ex ... but ofc i was blamed for all of them because i "didnt study with her more" or some ridiculous nonsense that she used to justify her bad behaviour. then ofc the gossip wheel started turning and i found that people that i was supposedly friends with cast me off without a second thought. i was raised JW (not born in but pretty close), and for these people to treat me this way was devastating. i didnt start questioning doctrine until later.

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New here..

by breakfree in

just wanted to introduce myself.

i've been reading your posts for a couple of months now and i think i finally have the courage to join in.

i have written and deleted this post many times.

cheerios

welcome and thank you for sharing! i stopped attending meetings some 10 years ago but didn't start the healing process until about 2 years ago. best thing you can do is find a good therapist and just purge all that crap from your system. it really is a religion full of narrow-minded BS ... just get rid of it.

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My Story

by kp138 in

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cheerios

thank you for sharing kp and welcome :) i know i dont post that much but i've been lurking around this site for many years. i can promise you that you will find comfort here. apostate does not mean what you think it means.

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Soldiers of Jah

by cofty in

i would like to propose an ethical dilemma for those who believe in the divine inspiration of the bible.. in the following scenarios i am not asking you what you would have done but rather, what you hope you would have had the courage to do.. scenario 1. you are camped on the east side of the jordan waiting for orders to cross into the promised land.

moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to joshua.

he announces that he has had an instruction from god to take revenge on the midianites before he dies.

cheerios

What kind of emperical data would you find convincing?

preferably something not so steeped in controversy. by that i mean not something that can be taken 42 different ways to sunday by anyone who looks at it and then disagreed on by all, twisted by some, and misused by others.

sometimes i think that the uneducated faith (note: that's not the right connotation but i'm not sure what the right word is) that was possessed by people in bible times was apropos to their specific time period. we live in an age of skepticism, reason, and philosophy where education is abundant (or should be), philosophy is prevalent and mankind can build off each others ideas. when people put forth ideas, the first thing that thinking people do is say: is this true and if so, why? the whole 'god exists because it says so in a book but he refuses to prove it because you have to have faith' argument is not going to win over many people. not in this day and age.

so that is what i struggle with. i would like to believe in a god, but i have a hard time reconciling empirical observation with just a want.

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Soldiers of Jah

by cofty in

i would like to propose an ethical dilemma for those who believe in the divine inspiration of the bible.. in the following scenarios i am not asking you what you would have done but rather, what you hope you would have had the courage to do.. scenario 1. you are camped on the east side of the jordan waiting for orders to cross into the promised land.

moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to joshua.

he announces that he has had an instruction from god to take revenge on the midianites before he dies.

cheerios

tammy, i understand what you mean; however, your argument is conjecture. it is not evidence. nor is it objectively provable. as to the issue of whether jesus was real or not - i don't think your answer 'answers' the question. because someone has not proven that he did or did not exist using empirical data is not evidence to either point. it just means that there isnt enough evidence to say whether he did or didn't. i know that you and ps and others feel that he did. there are many others that feel that he didn't. but to use the bible to prove that someone existed is a conflict of interest. just because the bible says so isnt proof. please be assured that my comments are in no way derogatory to you (or anyone else for that matter). i just do not see it.

sometimes i wish that god/jesus/whoever would just definitively say: okay here i am and this is what i want you to do ... in a way that leaves zero doubt. it would still be our choice to follow it or not.

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Soldiers of Jah

by cofty in

i would like to propose an ethical dilemma for those who believe in the divine inspiration of the bible.. in the following scenarios i am not asking you what you would have done but rather, what you hope you would have had the courage to do.. scenario 1. you are camped on the east side of the jordan waiting for orders to cross into the promised land.

moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to joshua.

he announces that he has had an instruction from god to take revenge on the midianites before he dies.

cheerios

Not the accuracy of the bible. The truth of Christ.

Well, the issue is that because of the false stylus, we really can't KNOW if he is the truth.

exactly. why would i want to put any trust into someone that we dont even know if he existed? okay, so what it says in the book about him is somewhat nice (some of the time), but that doesnt mean suddenly i'm going to consider him a real person worthy of any merit or obedience. and it certainly doesnt mean i'm going to start talking to him.

perhaps i'm just jaded because of my experience with the borg. now i tend not to believe that there is a great and powerful oz.

that's my problem with that. can you help me beyond that?

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Soldiers of Jah

by cofty in

i would like to propose an ethical dilemma for those who believe in the divine inspiration of the bible.. in the following scenarios i am not asking you what you would have done but rather, what you hope you would have had the courage to do.. scenario 1. you are camped on the east side of the jordan waiting for orders to cross into the promised land.

moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to joshua.

he announces that he has had an instruction from god to take revenge on the midianites before he dies.

cheerios

Well in THAT case Jesus was nothing special as his message ws basically the same as messages thousands of years older than him.

We've had this discussion before ;)

I said test his message against love. Not that love was his sole message - even though all the law hinges on the love God, and love neighbor commandments. Because if you love your neighbor, you do no harm to him, and in fact you do good to him.

No reason others never discovered this truth - because it IS a truth.

But faith was right there alongside love in Christ's message, as well as the promise for anyone in any nation, tribe, culture to be with him as his brother and a son of God with Him.

Tammy

i just dont get it. i do not see what that has to do with verifying the accuracy of the bible. it's either true or it's not. it's nice and all but what does 'love' have to do with anything?

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Soldiers of Jah

by cofty in

i would like to propose an ethical dilemma for those who believe in the divine inspiration of the bible.. in the following scenarios i am not asking you what you would have done but rather, what you hope you would have had the courage to do.. scenario 1. you are camped on the east side of the jordan waiting for orders to cross into the promised land.

moses is nearing the end of his life but he has some unfinished business to take care of before he hands over to joshua.

he announces that he has had an instruction from god to take revenge on the midianites before he dies.

cheerios

i dont understand. how is 'love' the answer to testing the words of the bible for veracity? if that's true, then the beatles are the second coming ... (j/k) ... but i really do not understand that answer. it sounds a bit like a party-line towed by bible-thumpers ... spoken by many but understood by few.