Well....
"Elders and ms cannot just walk away. There is that further element of control that the Organization has."
Never thought I'd be thankful for "just" being a sister.
Ada
catching up on some of the posts a thought came to mind..... .
if an elder or ms wants to step down, what is the process?
can it be as simple as saying "i need to step down" without having to supply an explanation?.
Well....
"Elders and ms cannot just walk away. There is that further element of control that the Organization has."
Never thought I'd be thankful for "just" being a sister.
Ada
here are some good things to think about.
(disclaimer: i have thrown in the occasional sarcastic barb for spice, but mean no disrespect...).
you are wanted here.
how do you think I got my new toaster oven?
lol
i had decided to take it but now i've read some more about it and now i've no clue...my appointment is tomorrow.
i'm 35 and healthy other wise so i'm not in the risk group.. thanks.
newborn.
Ok I see that you are not in the high risk group due to age, sorry. I have asthma so I am, but they never had any in time for me to avoid this.
i had decided to take it but now i've read some more about it and now i've no clue...my appointment is tomorrow.
i'm 35 and healthy other wise so i'm not in the risk group.. thanks.
newborn.
Are you talking about the seasonal flu or swine flu (I haven't read both pages). I currently have swine flu, and after a quick trip to urgent care on Monday night, apparently close to pneumonia. Been on steriods, some serious antibiotics, and cough meds ever since. Been off work for two weeks. This is nasty and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. This is also a pandemic. If you are in a high risk group please do consider getting the shot.
Ada
yea, one tequila, two tequila, three tequila FLOOR.
At least thats what I have always heard.
after reading about puternuts (ari) suicide, and also reading about sabine and js losing their daughter to this cult, i think it would be a fitting memorial, so to speak, to write a list of all the people we know who died because of this cult.
i also know that cruzanheart lost her dad to it, too.
i'm sure there are many here that can make a list of suicides brought on by the shunning/threatening policies of the watchtower cult.
My nephew Alan Swyers shot himself to death at age 16 because he was gay and the WT, his family, and general society told him he was a devient.
I'd say hold on to that fact. Heavy drinking is very common with JWs and has been a large part of every fest I've been a part of. But alcohol is just self medication to help you stop "feelings." And we all have a lot of feelings when we leave the mother ship. Feelings of disbelief, denial, then anger, etc. The biggest two are betrayal and depression, these two can take a long time to peel off. Alcohol makes these worse and never allows you to deal with those feelings.
I'm not saying thats why everyone drinks, from what I have been told from professionals, there are three types of brains. The first person takes a drink and loves it so keeps up until they are buzzing. That intense pleasurable high becomes something they chase the rest of their life but never achieve. These people are alcoholics. Their brain is wired this way.
The second group of people take a drink and think, hmm, ok thats nice, and they can take it or leave it. These people are usually social drinkers, and not normally the type that drink to excess. Most people from the first group claim to belong to this second group. Again, its brain chemistry, or wiring.
The last group, of which I am one, unfortunately, takes a drink and either says, eww, or in my case, "whats all the fuss about?" I have also drank to the so called "buzzed" state, but in my case it is not pleasurable, it actually feels uncomfortable. So I don't do it. In fact I rarely drink. It just isn't enjoyable. Again, my brain is just wired that way. And my brain chemistry is no better or worse than anyone else's, I might add, I'm just laying out the facts not making judgements.
So, like most things, it is not about morals, like we were taught all our lives. Its not even about choice, though I suppose that enters into it at a point. Its about who you are on a cellular level. Some people are just wired to be able to drink to excess, and the more often they do it, the more it takes them to catch that buzz.
Me, I could smell a beer cap and catch a buzz after all this time (no not literally), but if I drank 6 scotches I would be in hospital that much is certain.
Anyway, my point is, don't think that you have to to be cool.
Ada
Not in my opinion!
do you tip your mailman, newspaper, oil delivery persons?
if so, what do you normally give?
who else do you tip?
What surprises me about this thread is how many people still read a newspaper! Dang! I haven't touched a newspaper in years, thats what the internet is for! LOL
As for the mailman, yes cash gifts are a no go, but if you have a speaking terms relationship with them sometimes a $5.00 starbucks card is accepted. Ethics laws say that you cannot accept more than $50.00 in this type of thing in a year, some won't take anything just to make it clear they aren't going to do that, and others will, so it depends on the individual employee.
Hairdresser, yes, any service provider you frequent would also be a good person to tip on the holidays.
Good thread!
Ada
i'm pretty sure the forseeable future will include numerous attempts to "shepherd" my family.
my elder status is either already gone or soon to be gone.. .
does anyone know of specific rules when it comes to refusing a shepherding call?
I've been out for a long time, but I won't forget the "shepherding" call I got from the fine brothers in Kennewick East congregation in Washington State. They came to my door one morning acting all concerned about me, so I told them what my experience was with the gossiping and how far up the elder chain (not just sisters) it extended. He looked at me and said (I shit you not): "How long will you roll around in your vomit?" The other so called brother looked at him and his jaw dropped. He said to me, "I was not here when this happened, and it is not ok. You have my apology for the way you were treated." I thanked him and they left.
Never saw them again, but I moved shortly there after, first to another territory, then across the state, and now to a different state. Its been almost 20 years.
Ada