The only thing I can think of, why it takes long: The gravity of the offense, it was obviously not a momentary weakness, but rather a schemed way out of a marriage. Some sort of wicked intent, therefore the punishment must be more severe as well. (disfellowshipping is some kind of punishment, although never admitted officially)
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Question for all you Current/Former Elders out there
by dontplaceliterature inthe "situation"a brother and sister from my parents congregation committed adultry with one another.
he was single, she was married to another brother in the same hall.
her husband divorced her.
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Higher Education June 15th Watchtower 2011
by jwfacts in"higher education: jesus warned against seeking your own glory.
(john 7:18) whatever you decide as to how much secular education you will obtain, have you made sure of the more important things?phil.
1:9,10.. grzegorz, the computer programmer, made some changes in his life.
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Before I used to think, the downing of higher education is a sincere effort to warn the flock from materialism, and other dangers.
But now, I think, its really to keep followers stupid, to prevent them from developping self esteem, that in turn would allow them to question their leaders.
Once I discussed with a friend some doctrines, his reply, "the man on the GB must be really smart, they know whats best for us"
Thats how they like us to think of them, somebody with higher education might question this.
I often wonder though, how some smart JW who actually have higher education, can swallow some nonsense they produce...
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WARNING for active JW's
by Anony Mous inas you may have heard if you attended recently, social networking is of the devil and many have been 'lead astray' by website supposedly set up for jw.
whatever, you heard it before about rock, hard rock, hip hop, rap, gangsta rap, tv, werewolves .... anyway you may have heard of the recent elder school where basically there were the proverbial tongue lashings about not having social networking sites.
here is the skinny on recent developments:.
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sorry, no offense, but it sounds quit weird.
At our KMS school recently, they talked negatvie about social networks, but it was never directly mentioned, that appointed men should not be on it.
The only issue, when qualification of an appointed man should be reviewed, was the higher education thing. That was anyway annoying enough, but nothing about social networks...
therefore, BS detector is very high !!!!
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The Organization is NOT Spirit-Directed! -- Says J.R. Brown!
by UnDisfellowshipped in"the watchtower" magazine, march 1, 1992, page 6:.
"the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1991, page 22: .
"the watchtower" magazine, march 15, 1986, page 18:.
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they beat around the bush, their goal:
obey them blindly but
if things go wrong, they dont want to be responsible....
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ABBA - Dancing Queen (1976)
by possible-san inabba - dancing queen (1976).
even now, the japanese people love this music.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reeluors1pq.
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ABBA, my first album, I was 14. Still love most of their music, to this day. "Gimme, gimme, gimme a (wo)man after midnight.... "
Funny story: It was acceptable music to my parents, however, onetime I tapped it for a friend, his mom, an overzealous zealot (sorry witness) destroyed his tape, saying its denomic music !!!!
ABBA denomic music ?? omg...
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You jackasses in Bethel or at the Branch, need to cut me a check.........
by miseryloveselders intuesday night, i drove to a couple of older sister's homes, and dropped off their magazines, and kindom ministries.
thursday night, i went to the meeting and cleaned and locked up the building.
i also dropped someone off who earlier recieved a ride to the hall but their ride couldn't come back to take them home.
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MLE, absolutly feel for you, in many aspects same her. if it was not for family, I would be out a while ago.
hanging in there becomes more and more tiresome, and even quite depressiv at times.
sitting at the meetings, listening (soemtimes producing) to nonsense or boring topics. Worst of it, to nod to stupid cultish comments from others, how wonderful everything in JW world is, how thankful we have to be to faithful and discreet slave, etc....
only comfort rigtht now, there are others going through the same, this forum here is really a therapy....
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blood - a different approach
by inbetween inas often discussed here and on other places, there are many good arguments against the wts blood policy.
basically the distinction between what is a component and what a fraction, is often , and right so, target of critisicm.
however, it can get confusing, especially when apologists like thirdwitness or standfirm argue for any spot of reasonableness in it.
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Murray smith: your reasoning regarding the blood is absolutely correct, however, it requires a little bit deeper understanding of the Mosaic Law, and I fear, it might be too "apostate" for close minded JW. On the other hand, I believe, there are so many different ways to refute the official blood doctrine, that it might help, to try different ones in opening the eyes of listening JW.
Mr monroe: Thanks for the qoute, i had it somewhere in my mind too, therefore, my argument 1) was especially directed towards this. Its soo ridicolous, even before I started to wake up, I could not really accept this reasoning.
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blood - a different approach
by inbetween inas often discussed here and on other places, there are many good arguments against the wts blood policy.
basically the distinction between what is a component and what a fraction, is often , and right so, target of critisicm.
however, it can get confusing, especially when apologists like thirdwitness or standfirm argue for any spot of reasonableness in it.
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As often discussed here and on other places, there are many good arguments against the WTS blood policy. Basically the distinction between what is a component and what a fraction, is often , and right so, target of critisicm. However, it can get confusing, especially when apologists like thirdwitness or standfirm argue for any spot of reasonableness in it. Many dubs may scare away from an indepth discussion, and just let the WTS think for them ("they researched it anyway, and know better than we, after all we are to trust our leadership"). Therefore, maybe another approach may help.
Lets just say, for arguments sake, the commandment to abstain from blood really includes blood transfusions.
The WTS often argues, that is is better to loose ones life and stay faithful, than to break Gods law, therefore stay alive, but loose Gods favour. As example often those martyr Christains of ancient times are mentioned, who did not compromise their faith and rather died.
Lets analyse, if this is really consistent and logical:
1) When Christains in old times were faced with the possibility to loose their life it was always when enemies of them tried to force them to loose their integrity. Their loyalty to Goid was questioned by opposers. The issue was, whether they fear men or God. Those men persecuted them, and their faith was challenged.
However, regarding blood transfusions, this analogy fails. If you get in an accident or have a complex surgery, the medical stuff does not try to break your faith or to persecute you. They simply do what their profession is, to safe your life, to help you. They do not care what kind of faith you have, they do not require any kind of worship from you, they just want to help ! No comparison to heathen or wicked opposers.
2) No doubt, for a Christain, to keep the commandments of God, it is very important, if not most important in life. However, does it mean, that any commandment is absolute with no exception ? Example, a clear commandment is not to kill another person. What if you act in self defense ? Lets say you have no choice other than protect yourself than to kill the aggressor ? Did you still overstep the commandment not to kill ? Even WTS acknowledges that when you had no other option (like running away etc), acting in self defense to protect your life is allowed. Therefore even witnesses can be police with carrying a gun. Though they will have no privilege, they will noit be dfd for it. So why is it then forbidden to take a blood transfusion, if its the only means to save your life ?
3) Whats the point of any commandment of God ? How did Jesus view Gods laws, as absolute commandment, with no reasonings or exceptions whatsoever ? What about the account about the woman with the blood flow ? She clealry overstepped the letter of the law, by approaching Jesus. However, Jesus did not rebuke her, because following the letter of the law would have, in this case, violated the intention of the law. The intention was for hygenical reasons, that a woman with blood flow has to be seperated from others. However, if she kept the letter of the law, she would not have been healed, and therefore always pose a risk to herself and others. What the reason fo the blood prohibition ? To view blood as carrying the life, and therefore sacred. It should not be misused. However, what if life is lost, because of clinging to the letter of the law ? Is than not also the intention of the law violated ?
Sorry I dont have my cd-rom at work, so I cannot include references atm, the WTS stance is more or less from memory. I´ll try to provide exact quotes on a later time. Just wanted to know your opinions. I f there are weaknesses in my reasoning, please feel free to spot them. Its appreciated.
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So I finished reading the Origin of Species last night.....
by Mr. Falcon in...oh my.. i am not trying to start a creation vs. evolution debate, but something else really did stand out in my mind upon reading this "infamous" book.
and that is that the theory of evolution is a very complex and at times, logically interesting theory.
it makes valid points as well as asking fair and legitimate questions of the theory of creation.
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I wonder if this talk earned him a friendly chat with the elders after the meeting.
I was one of the elders, and I commended him actually, funny thing though, most complaints about his talk came from the "average" publishers...
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-27-11 WT Study (SING)
by blondie inreview comments will be headed by comments.
book of psalms._read psalm 8:3, 4, 7-9.. .
praise god in song.. .
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glad we missed meeting this time. I was sick (really !) wife kind of faked it, she was really not in the mood to go (funny, she is mentally still in ..kind of...)and I didnt stop her from staying home...
But as a good dub, I prepared of course ;-)
and once again, I wonder, who writes articles like that ? especially the reason given for the new song book, because light got brighter , huh ?
why not simply change the terms form "new order" to "new world" etc, doesnt need to compose completely new music , mostly depressing tunes anyway ?
There is little subtsance lately in the articles, its usually a repetition of certain topics like: how to improve field servcie ? How to avoid satans influence (internet, entertainment, porn, apostate etc) How to behave at meetings, assemblies etc, you name it,
very rare are indepth discussions , it all remains on the surface, and almost in every article, they contradict themselves or write some really stupid comments.