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  Why don’t we have a better story?

  by iconoclastic in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1. some say we are all gods, and god is omnipresent..

  2. some say: god created his children who later challenged his sovereignty, who in turn asked his eldest son: go down to the world, do not resist the wicked, but be murdered by them, the value of which will be used to atone the sins of the world..

  3. universe arose out of a big bang.

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  cantleave

  Good grief - I have just read this thread. This ignorance has produced intense pain......

  I need to magic up one of those beers.
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  My experience of christians and religion

  by Doltologist in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  one or two of you have noticed that i use derogatory terms when talking about matters religion.

  i offer no apology.

  you do, however, deserve an explanation.. my father, bless him and now dead, was a survivor of belsen, the german concentration camp.

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  cantleave

  Dolt - I too have enjoyed your posts on this forum. You and I see pretty much eye to eye when it comes to religion although my experience has primarily been JW.

  Saying that, I have been to my local village church on a few occasions (son was in Scouts daughter in Guides). Last time I went I wore a Flying Spaghetti Monster Tee shirt! I think some people feel I was being disrespectful - I don't think respect is deserved.
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  Are atheists more likely to be morally good than Christians?

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have no problem saying atheists and christians are equal.. but some people seem to have the belief that atheists are more likely to be morally good, or more likely to change the world for good, than christians and theists.. but what evidence do you have to support this claim?.

  if atheism is what causes people to do great positive things for the world, then why weren't martin luther king, jr., william wilberforce, isaac newton, francis collins, barack obama, mother theresa, abraham lincoln, or john f. kennedy atheists?.

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  cantleave

  I have thought about this long and hard. I have come to the conclusion that all those I know who worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may we all be touched by his noodliness) seem to be extremely well rounded and moral human beings. The values they obtain from His gospel have molded them into decent moral human beings, I genuinely feel that without a belief in Him these people would be out committing all sorts of atrocities.

  Alternatively it could just be that animals that live in herds are more successful if they cooperate rather than antagonise the group and will often reap rewards for positive behaviour.

  Your question is built on a straw man argument.

  BTW Mother Theresa was an evil self serving bitch.
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  Proof - of what?

  by Doltologist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

  being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

  the first was called "was life created?

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  cantleave

  Tel - did you watch that video? I would love to read your response. If you didn't watch it, then you might as well stop posting on this thread, as you obviously are happy swimming in the sea of ignorance.
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  Proof - of what?

  by Doltologist in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a few weeks ago, these two jovies turned up on my doorstep.

  being in a good mood that particular day, i told them that if they could prove that god existed, i'd become a jovie - and i meant every word.. they gave me two documents which they asked me read and told me that they'd be back in a week.

  the first was called "was life created?

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  cantleave

  .....assumes that the reader lacks knowledge and is gullible.

  That is the modus operandi of this cult. The Rank and file are told they get the best education possible on religion and science through the litter-trash produced by the WTS. So when they knock on your door they really believe they have knowledge that you don't.

  Remember that cults thrive on providing simplistic answers to complex questions to people who are too lazy to do their own research.
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  Very Offensive Statement Directed To JW Parents-Watchtower 4/15/2015 Page 11 Paragraph 9

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt is insinuating, worse yet, blaming senior jw parents for there not being more younger brothers reaching out to be ministerial servants and elders.

  page 11 paragraph 9 reads as follows: .

  "elders in affluent lands may face an added challenge: how to motivate baptized brothers in their 20s or 30s to get involved in congregation activities.

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  cantleave

  The truth is, in many congregations the goalposts are continually being moved for those who are reaching out, in the end enthusiasm wanes and the young brother gives up trying.

  Alternatively the young brother looks at the stressed out, overworked elders and thinks "I don't want want to end up like those suckers!"
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  All Christians Should Accept EVOLUTION

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it is time for christians to accept evolution, in my opinion.. there are many reasons why i think it is long overdue for all christians to finally accept what science says about evolution.

  below i will show these reasons.. .

  the bible tells people to pay attention to nature to see the glory of god (psalm 19; romans 1:19-20).

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  cantleave

  Some Jews and Christians have long considered the creation account of Genesis as an allegory instead of as historical description,

  Somehow I don't think that included the founders of Christianity or the early church
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  Kingdom Hall Sale Proceeds

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just spoke with a relative who's been serving as an elder for decades.

  when i innocently asked him why a congregation which was "merging" with his congregation could not use their sale proceeds to jointly purchase an urgently needed new k.h.

  between them, he said, "it doesn't work that way; whenever a k.h.

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  cantleave

  Why can't the elders and rank and file members see what is being done to them?

  
  
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  Carnivorous birds before 1975

  by TheFadingAlbatros in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  who among you has ever heard of carnivorous birds, birds of the kind of vulture, increasing in number at lightning speed on some mystery island located on our planet ?

  twice in europe before 1975, once through a co talk in a "kingdom" hall and once again by i do not exactly remember who during a jws' convention.

  and all this in order to prepare jws to be as fit as a fiddle for an universal carnage orchestrated supposedly by the true god intending to very soon annihilate "worldly" people not belonging to his chosen ones.

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  cantleave

  Ha Ha! I vaguely remember this, all I could think about was the decimation of raptors in the UK due to the insecticide DDT. I hoped we would see more birds of prey here. Strangely enough when I was a child in the 70's buzzards were very rare, they are now the most common bird of prey in the UK.....................Armageddon must be close,
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  Richard Dawkins espouses Militant Atheism: "Mock them, Ridicule them." Attack Religious People with Insults!

  by MagicMItchJensen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  richard dawkins has said frequently if we don't agree with religious or spiritual people we need to "insult them!

  " tell their their out of their "fucking gourds!

  " and make sure you really show them how stupid they are for believing in something they can't prove!".

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  cantleave

  Are all these people who say the agnosticism is the only logical approach agnostic regarding Russell's Teapot or our Lord The FSM?