Posts by IslandWoman

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JW doctrine..

by Brummie in

i cant think of any of their doctrines that could be supported if they didnt deliberately alter the scriptures.

even their teaching of god creating the earth is flawed when one considers what they believe about god.. of the top of my head i cant think of anything that i still believe that was taught me by the watchtower...can you?.

brummie

IslandWoman

Hi Brummie,

I respectively disagree, most of us work for an organisation or organise things ourselves, our schools are organised, there is nothing wrong with that, what is being demonized by exjws is specifically destructive cult like organisations, and if that is a phenomenon then its ok in my books.

I did not realize the paranoia many xJWs have with the word 'organization' or the idea of an 'organization' until I proposed that to fight the Tower xJWs need to get organized. The cry of "we do not need an organization or to be organized, because that is what the Tower was and we will not be like the Tower" rang out loud and clear. Even you did not just leave it at "cults" but added "cult like organizations". Most non JWs would not have used that terminology, they just say "cults". Yes, imo, there is a hyper paranoia among xJWs when the word, "organization" is mentioned. This I believe is due to the inordinate and negative emphasis that term has been given by the more prominant xJW posters.

1) I agree that Jesus was organised as was the Apostle Paul but that is a far cry from the organised preaching work as designed by the Governing Body. 10 hours per month? Calendar weekends? Do or die? That is the "organisation" that I am reffering to when I say I dont believe anything they teach.

Organized preaching work has nothing to do with what you address in your post above. Hours etc. have nothing to do with the organization of the preaching work. :)

2) The Roman centurion comes to mind but I will have to look up the Scripture as I cant remember now if it condemned him for being part of an army. Infact I dont think it did, didnt it tell him to go ahead and be good at his work? senior moments, I'll look it up.

Jesus said that his disciples would be recognized by the love they had among themselves. Are you saying that the Roman Centurion would be recognized as a disciple of Jesus even after he shish kababed some poor soul, maybe even a fellow Christian as many soldiers have done?

3) Similar to point one. 5 meetings a week & Watchtower study etc, that is not a Christian meeting and has no Scriptural support. If it was just meeting like a local club then fine, but it doesnt and therefore it is not biblical

Brummie, whether or not the JW meetings are "Christian" or have support in the Bible is subject to religious opinion.

IW

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The Watchtower Society and Corporate Manslaughter

by nicolaou in

as the news item posted below reports, the uk government is considering the introduction of a new offence of corporate manslaughter.. .

i wonder how this will affect the minds of the watchtower legal dept' as they try to cover their masters 'corporate' asses once again.. .

while still holding out against any meaningful reform of their fatal 'no blood transfusion' policy they will now have to justify themselves as the originators, promoters and enforcers of said policy while simutaneously attempting to absolve themselves of any responsibility of the consequences thereof.. .

IslandWoman

Nicolaou,

It shouldn't have it's own independant place, it should be exposed to the same realities and penalties as the rest of society.

Extreme religious practices such as animal sacrifice etc. are not allowed in the U.S.

Religion in general should be free to practice its theology though. Without freedom of religion there is no freedom at all.

Information, information, information is the key to the control of religions. To exact a strict majority rule type of governmental control on religion is to risk another kind of tyranny upon people, a dictatorial government. People should be free to believe and worship as they please. When a particular religious practice is found or thought to be illegal, then the courts convene to decide the matter in accord with the Constitution.

If the religious practice is found to be legal under the Constitution it is then an allowed practice. The JW blood doctrine has not been declared unconstitutional in our country. I firmly believe it never will be. Majority rule must always allow the minorities their voice and place in society, otherwise true freedom dies.

Information is the key to keeping religion in its proper place.

IW

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JW doctrine..

by Brummie in

i cant think of any of their doctrines that could be supported if they didnt deliberately alter the scriptures.

even their teaching of god creating the earth is flawed when one considers what they believe about god.. of the top of my head i cant think of anything that i still believe that was taught me by the watchtower...can you?.

brummie

IslandWoman

Brummie,

IW, I am just about to go off line but can you remember the Scriptures that teach the following:
1) there is to be an "organised" preaching work
2) The military is to be avoided. ( I believe the WT have compromised on doing military activities?)
3) organized meeting arrangements ( I assume you mean organised as meaning same time each week same place etc?)

In reference to number:

1. Yes, Jesus himself organized the preaching work when he sent out the seventy to work two by two and of course the Apostle Paul preached in an organized fashion also, from city to city and with others who accompanied him. The "demonization" of the word 'organization' is an xJW phenomenon. Most people recognize the need for organization and are not paranoid over it.

2. There is no way for a Christian to honor the command of Jesus to have love for their brother without leaving the sword behind. Even Jesus himself in the NT declared that the use of the sword by Peter was to fulfill scripture and nothing more. His disciples were to work at loving others not killing them. I believe this is obvious.

3. When people agree to meet do they not also agree to place and time? Paul also designated procedural practices.

IW

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Demonizing the Watchtower

by IslandWoman in

jw
friends

our 'beloved' old faith tried to teach us to hate other religions and all things that smacked of anything that was worldly.

they demonized all things outside of their religion.. are some of us in danger of carrying that same thinking over to our new lives as former jws?

could some here at first start out as an anti-cultist but in time allow this to become a 'religion' in itself?.

IslandWoman

We don't need no stinking balanced thinking,

Well said Francois. Let no man accuse you of such.

IW

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The Watchtower Society and Corporate Manslaughter

by nicolaou in

as the news item posted below reports, the uk government is considering the introduction of a new offence of corporate manslaughter.. .

i wonder how this will affect the minds of the watchtower legal dept' as they try to cover their masters 'corporate' asses once again.. .

while still holding out against any meaningful reform of their fatal 'no blood transfusion' policy they will now have to justify themselves as the originators, promoters and enforcers of said policy while simutaneously attempting to absolve themselves of any responsibility of the consequences thereof.. .

IslandWoman

Nicolaou,

I believe it is safe to say that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York or Pennsylvania will never be bothered with the kind of corporate law you speak of if it is applied to the blood issue.

I believe that here in the U.S. it will not fly. In the U.S. this is religion, and religion has its own independent place here. Maybe in the UK it's different.

IW

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Excerpts From My "Pay Attention" Elder's Book

by minimus in

jw
friends

since i resigned early last year, i did not know where my "pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock book" was.

this weekend i was cleaning out my trunk and i spotted it.

i thought i might share some quotes with you on this fine sunday.....page 35:"do not try to get the brothers to engage in the field service by exerting undue pressure on them.

IslandWoman

Minimus,

Do you have a scanner?

IW

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Excerpts From My "Pay Attention" Elder's Book

by minimus in

jw
friends

since i resigned early last year, i did not know where my "pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock book" was.

this weekend i was cleaning out my trunk and i spotted it.

i thought i might share some quotes with you on this fine sunday.....page 35:"do not try to get the brothers to engage in the field service by exerting undue pressure on them.

IslandWoman

Minimus,

Is the book you are quoting from on the net?

IW

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JW doctrine..

by Brummie in

i cant think of any of their doctrines that could be supported if they didnt deliberately alter the scriptures.

even their teaching of god creating the earth is flawed when one considers what they believe about god.. of the top of my head i cant think of anything that i still believe that was taught me by the watchtower...can you?.

brummie

IslandWoman

Hi Brummie,

I believe the JW doctrine of not joining the military is in accord with the NT scriptures. I believe their belief that women should not teach in the congregation is in accord with the NT scriptures. I believe the organized arrangement of elders/deacons is in accord with the NT scriptures. I believe an organized preaching work is in agreement with the NT scriptures.

I believe the headship arrangement is in accord with the NT scriptures. I believe the NT scriptures support: head coverings, leadership by appointed men, organized meeting arrangements, belief in an approaching end to this system, the establishing of a new earth and new heavens by God, the honoring of God's name, the honoring of men taking the lead, the circuit overseer arrangement, the belief that the road to salvation is narrow, the belief that only Christians have eternal life, are all in the NT.

I also believe that any Christian religion which does not teach these things either does not believe the NT is inerrant or practices an outright apostasy of the NT.

IW

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