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Lillith26
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Tower Of Babel
by Blue Grass innote:this was a post i made on another thread but i felt it was off topic so i giving it it's own thread.. someone(who i can't remember) on a thread(which i can't remember) said the tower of babel story is proven false because some languages evolved from others and thus that was another strike against the bible as being fiction.
however this person doesn't realize that there are languages on this earth that has absolutely no relation whatsoever such as chinese-english, spanish-arabic, greek-xhosa, etc.
not to mention all of the ancient languages that are now extinct due to invading countries forcing their own language on other countries.
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1914: Jehovah's Witnesses Proudly Proclaim when Jesus became King
by JWMediaFilms in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0wbbecqzbw.
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Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith
by AllTimeJeff inin ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.
a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.
jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.
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Lillith26
Sorry- I just felt the urge to add my 2cents worth... please continue with your weak arguments Perry- I'm all ears....
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Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith
by AllTimeJeff inin ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.
a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.
jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.
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Lillith26
On point one, I guess there could be an infinite digression of cause and effect events, though this seems to have been abandoned by modern discoveries in astrophysics. Science seems to agree that there was a beginning to the universe. From my point of view, God claims to have power over time....having invented it. Hence, he exists outside of time...and thus is self existing. There was nothing before God because "before" was one of his creations.
No Two scientist will agree 100% with this statement- fact!
On point two. The fine tuning of the universe makes your alternate possibility quite deep into the realm of the impossible. Whoever was intelligent enough to fine tune the universe is also capable of "helping" ; or curing may be a better word to my way of thinking.
If it was so carefully fine tuned as you are sugesting- why do we need help/a cure again?
On point three....well that is addressed by Christianity.
In YOUR OPINION!!!
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To understand the Bible, must we "Read between the lines?"
by garyneal inthis post goes out to any active jehovah's witnesses who are either actively engaged in or simply lurking the topics on this web site.
my wife is a jehovah's witness who is currently an unbaptized publisher hoping (as she stated as her goal) to become baptized.
needless to say, i am not and we go to different churches (hers is the kingdom hall and mine is a small community church).. anyway, this past sunday (september 7, 2009) one of the brothers gave a talk about how some people pick a church based on the fact that it seems to "feel good to them" rather than base it on whether or not they truly teach the bible.
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Lillith26
Why do they use these books and mags at their meetings to study from, instead of using just the bible???- cause they cant brain wash us that way! and they wouldn't make any money off selling just one book!
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Really, There Is A Lot To Learn About Your Faith
by AllTimeJeff inin ak - jeffs thread "did jesus ever claim to be the messiah", narkissos said the following that i think, and have learned, is rather profound:.
a better approach to this discussion might start with questioning the presupposition that there was one concept of "messiahship" common to all or even most 1st-century ad jews.. the idea is, we assume that the faith and religion we have now, is as it was way back then... clearly, it isn't.. i haven't devoted a great deal of my time to this subject, but i have read enough to realize that there is a lot more to the history of our churches and religions then we think.
jw history is pretty easy, as they started in the late 19th century.
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Lillith26
BTT- I have nothing to add, but am enjoying reading the posts- please keep them comming!
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When bad spelling trolls leave, new bad spellers (studies, JW's, JW lovers) arrive
by OnTheWayOut ini will totally leave names out, as many get all huffy about that.
it's also possible that i am wrong, though i doubt it.. it's just that some trolls seem to deliberately be terrible spellers to make themselves look more naive and when they leave here for whatever reason, some new bad speller comes along in less than a week with an impossible problem or a complicated love situation with a jw or they are a firm believer with questions.
just watch out.
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Lillith26
aint spellin gr8 ? now i can git strait A'z PMPWLMAO
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Congregation "Bible Study" Comments - Week Commencing 7 September 2009
by LUKEWARM in*** lv chap.
9 pp.
97-109 "flee from fornication" ***.
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Lillith26
" Bottom line: there are children dying of hunger in the world. There are seniors wasting away from neglect. There are folks of all walks of life, races, and ages… who are ill, many terminally so. There are folks that are homeless, abused, abandoned, enslaved, and perhaps worse. My point? As “christians” there is so much more for us to be “worried” about (if indeed we need to worry), rather than whether someone unrelated, let alone related, to us is masturbating. Really. "
I agree, Amen.
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"understand that I am he" Isaiah 43:10
by Chalam inisaiah 43:10 (new international version) .
10 "you are my witnesses," declares the lord, .
"and my servant whom i have chosen, .
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Lillith26
Jesus is one name in a long list of jewish men to claim that he was 'the he'- from the book of Isaiah;
List of Jewish messiah claimants
- Judas of Galilee (c. 4 BCE), discussed in the Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament [ 1 ] and by 1st century historian Josephus in Jewish Wars and Antiquities of the Jews. Judas led a violent resistance against the Census of Quirinius that was to be imposed for tax purposes [ 2 ] . The revolt was ultimately unsuccessful, as detailed in the Book of Acts and the aforementioned writings of Josephus.
- Simon son of Joseph (c. 4 BCE) a former slave of Herod the Great who rebelled. The messiah of Gabriel's Revelation.
- Athronges (c. 4-2? BCE), leader of a rebellion with his four brothers against Archelaus and the Romans after proclaiming himself the Messiah [ 3 ] . He and his brothers were eventually defeated.
- Jesus of Nazareth (ca. 4 BC - AD 30-?), in the Roman province of Iudaea. Jews who believed him to be the Messiah were the first Christians. It is estimated that there are between 1.5 and 2 billion Christians in the world today [ 4 ] , making Jesus of Nazareth the most widely followed Messiah claimant.
- Theudas (44-46)
- Menahem ben Judah partook in a revolt against Agrippa II in Judea
- Simon bar Kokhba (died c. 135), defeated in the Bar Kokhba revolt
- Moses of Crete (5th century)
- Is?a? ben Ya'?ub Obadiah Abu 'Isa al-Isfahani of Ispahan lived in Persia during the reign of the Umayyad Caliph 'Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan (684-705).
- Yudghan, lived and taught in Persia in the early eighth century disciple of Is?a? ben Ya'?ub Obadiah Abu 'Isa al-Isfahani of Ispahan
- Serene (Sherini, Sheria, Serenus, Zonoria, Saüra) (c. 720)
- David Alroy or Alrui (c. 1160)
- Abraham Abulafia (b. 1240)
- Nissim ben Abraham (c. 1295) active in Avila.
- Moses Botarel of Cisneros (c. 1413)
- Asher Kay (1502) a German near Venice.
- David Reubeni (early sixteenth century).
- Solomon Molcho (early sixteenth century).
- Sabbatai Zevi (alternative spellings: Shabbetai, Sabbetai, Shabbesai; Zvi, Tzvi) (1626-1676)
- Barukhia Russo (Osman Baba), successor of Sabbatai Zevi.
- Miguel (Abraham) Cardoso (b. 1630)
- Mordecai Mokiakh ("the Rebuker") of Eisenstadt (active 1678-1683)
- Jacob Querido (d. 1690), said to be the reincarnation of Shabbetai Zevi.
- Löbele Prossnitz (Joseph ben Jacob), early eighteenth century
- Jacob Joseph Frank (1726-1791), founder of the Frankist movement.
- Shukr Kuhayl I, 19th-century Yemenite pseudo-messiah
- Rabbi Nachman of Breslov (Hebrew: ???? ??????), Nachman from Uman (April 4, 1772 – October 16, 1810), was the founder of the Breslov Hasidic dynasty.
- Judah ben Shalom (Shukr Kuhayl II), 19th-century Yemenite pseudo-messiah
- Menachem Mendel Schneerson; a 20th century Rabbi and charismatic leader who is believed to be the Messiah by many of his adherents.
am I too assume that only one of these men had a vaild claim? shoot! if I had a penis I could make claim also LOL
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When bad spelling trolls leave, new bad spellers (studies, JW's, JW lovers) arrive
by OnTheWayOut ini will totally leave names out, as many get all huffy about that.
it's also possible that i am wrong, though i doubt it.. it's just that some trolls seem to deliberately be terrible spellers to make themselves look more naive and when they leave here for whatever reason, some new bad speller comes along in less than a week with an impossible problem or a complicated love situation with a jw or they are a firm believer with questions.
just watch out.
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Lillith26
As long as we spell them wronge, can we name a few????