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  KS10 Chapter Three

  by yknot in

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  chapter three from 'shepherding the flock of go' published by the wts of penn/ny as part of their worldwide bible educational work.

  the wts is a non-profit whose publications are not for sale but are freely given to those who show 'genuine' interest..... while not required, a donation is always joyfully accepted .

  well i was going to stick to the boe ltr for a 'pre-view' but somebody deleted my sendspace links.

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  freddo

  Any change in the appointed men moving congregation procedure? That's a good opportunity to resign if you can work it.
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  and so it begins... what next?

  by bez in

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  my husband had another 'phone call' last night from the congregation po... the conversation went something like this..... po " i do not want to put words into your mouth but are you saying you no longer want to be recognised as a jw?".

  hubby " i am not making that statement no... cut to the chase what are you getting at".

  po " i have been informed you celebrated (child) birthday".

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  freddo

  I say this tongue in cheek (partly anyway! ) to those with difficult parents:

  When you know you are to be disfellowshipped, write a letter to your mom and copy in individually the body of elders, and everyone in the congregation for whom you have an address.

  Dear Mom,

  I understand you are having difficulty with how you view the rules of your religion. I also understand you wish to see your grandchildren. You may do so.

  However, we live in an age where a few people are abusive to children; either physically, sexually or are poisonous to them, either verbally or by their actions (they may even shun their children's parents - can you believe that?!). To protect our children we have decided that certain folk may only see our children when in the presence of their parents and we include you in this category.

  If over time you can show that you show respect to us as their parents for our beliefs then we may extend this privilege further; but we know that at present the strictures of your religion, their enforcing by congregation elders and your own intransigence stops this.

  For our part we undertake, out of respect for your faith, never to mention your religion in your presence and further agree to only discuss necessary family matters with you. This will include civility and decency in the way we talk to each other including customary greetings.

  Please contact us soonest to come and see Damien, Lolita and baby Bundy, we will have coffee and cakes prepared.

  I do hope you understand,

  Your ever loving son and daughter-in-law,

  Clyde and Bonnie

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  Jehovah’s Witness Charged

  by Gayle in

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  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/jehovahs-witness-charged/418987.html.

  jehovahs witness charged.

  08 october 2010a jehovahs witness member faces a year in prison over her refusal to allow her son to receive a blood transfusion that might have prevented his death in august, interfax reported thursday.. ilya orlukovich, 11, was hospitalized in moscow on aug. 9 after being hit by a car, and he died two weeks later, a spokesman for the city branch of the investigative committee told interfax.. he said the boys mother forbade doctors from offering a blood transfusion because of a jehovahs witness teaching that prohibits such operations.

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  Poor child; wretched mother; wicked Watchtower.

  Where was the father?
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  a reasonable question to any elder/members

  by bigmac in

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  the question is this;.

  because you are members of this apostate site, yet are still willing to serve the wt soc as elders,.

  do you still hope to .

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  freddo

  What Respectful Observer and Doubting bro. said on page one ....

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  Zone Oversears UK and Europe?

  by jookbeard in

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  in all the years i was a dub very little mention was ever made of z/o's i presume they would have been based in either the uk branch or selters in germany, anyone know who would have served in this position over the years?

  and who the current ones are?.

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  freddo

  I thought they were Gov Body enforcers - USAnians - sent to audit branches dressed up as "encouragement". So above the branch committees but below the Gov Body.
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  news about the DO Shepparding program!!!

  by seenitall in

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  the governing body has decided to launch a pilot program of shepherding district overseers and their wives.

  why is this needed?

  everyone has an arrangement for personal shepherding except district overseers and their wives.

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  freddo

  D.O.'s are "out of the way" generally. Congregation problems that cannot be dealt with by the elders go to CO or Bethel direct. I reckon they are reining in the D.O.'s by using Bethel heavies to follow the party line.

  Not too long before resigning as an elder in about 2003 there was one time I was aware of a pedo problem that I was involved with as a "concerned elder" (but not directly in the loop) which resulted in the CO and DO meeting with me to hear my views.

  My CO had hardly said a word and blew me off when tackled by me previously but I went to the DO and he granted me a meeting with him and my CO. When the DO was there the DO led and he was very open about inconsistencies in how the org. handles child molestation. The CO kept looking at him in a "Wow, are you really saying this to a mere elder?" sort of way.

  It was all done in a hand-wringing way but it made me see that there are good intentioned but fearful men among the CO's and DO's.
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  Are they really closing down branches in Martinique, Guadeloupe and French Guyana ?

  by aligot ripounsous in

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  i just got this information on the phone, from a local jw family member : the society is definitely downsizing its worldwide institutional network and they intend to disband their bethels in the three french overseas departements of martinique, guadeloupe an french guyana.

  i've not heard about the fourth departement la reunion in the indian ocean but i gather that they might go the same way there.. i wonder , what about the decent amount of money i donated to them in order to build one of those bethels , is it bound to be siphoned off to brooklyn ?

  objection, that was not included in the deal.

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  Any news on Poland? - or have the Panzers rolled in from Germany?
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  Question for current and former elders

  by GrandmaJones in

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  i am curious.

  were (are) there certains ones in the congregation that elders do not offer counsel to because of family ties, connections, or that the families or characters within that family are outspoken?.

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  freddo

  Elders are fair and just at all times ... then one of their "little darlings" needs counsel and watch the panties pucker up into a bunch!

  I have known elders be very resolute in dealing with "big shot elders" and their lids and I have known elders be incredibly weak and cowardly. It's very political and depends on the mood in your elder body in your congo at the time.
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  I'm being cyberstalked

  by gubberningbody in

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  since about valentines day ive been visiting a particular message forum thats much like any other internet babble-board except that the women are a little creepier.

  theres this one chick who, i noticed right away, is kind of clever with the one-liners and such, and when i first noticed how many of her posts were replies to my own, i chalked this up to her being just one of those innocently gregarious types who responds to pretty much everyone in topic.. .

  in the six or seven months since, however, ive noticed that this isnt really true.

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  Caught me there! Very good!
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  SBCheezits Judicial Hearing - My EPIC FAIL (REPOST for IE users)

  by SweetBabyCheezits in

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  (note: i apologize to the internet explorer users.

  you probably can't see my first epic fail thread because i used firefox to post.

  there's still some kind of glitch between a plugin i'm running, firefox posts, and ie.).

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  freddo

  Further to what cattails said - I agree.

  They will be on to the nameless drone in the service dept. for "guidance" who may decide that you have shown lying as in "brazen" loose conduct in recording it - this is the new catch-all phrase that Brooklyn uses to justify a d/f when they feel like it.

  Your ace in the hole is that you have a recording and the local boys won't want to be all over the net with their judicial process.

  A close call that could go either way. Outside chance they'll do a deal - as in you let one of their techhy savvy boys delete the recording (tho' they cannot be sure you've not spread it already ) and then they will view you as repentant. Nah! Perhaps not.

  I reckon they will d/f because Brooklyn doesn't mind letting it's elders hang out to dry unless of course there was something damning against Brooklyn itself on the recording.

  All in all, on balance I think you will be d/f'd.