Had the credit card announcement at our DC and a couple of places in the stadium for doing this manned by a couple of sisters. No queues; no-one at all donating this way as I wandered by a few times! Good.
Posts by freddo
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34Today was day 1 of my district cultvention
by JerkhovahsWitless insome of the memorable moments today would be:.
1) the nutty mother on stage with her little boy who became an unbaptized publisher at 6. i missed his current age, but he was a tiny little kid, couldn't be much older than a couple years over 6. tomorrow he gets baptized.
2) the husband and wife couple who work part-time to pioneer, but wanted to do more so they sold their home, down-sized to one car and made other adjustments to make their lives more simple to put the kingdom first.
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is my baptisum as a minor vaild?
by highdose inas a young minor, barely into my teens i was in a congo that had extreme peer pressure to get baptized.
in fact you were seen as a bad person if you didn't, and everyone else my age was, the threat was that if you were the last to get baptized of your generation then you would be seen as unspiritual.. this and some other things have troubled me since:.
when i came to be baptized i was suffering from an illness that greatly affected my concentration.. when it came to the assembly and i had to stand and answer those two questions i was shaking so much i didn't actauly say anything, in fact my mouth wouldn't open.. i am totaly sure that if i had waited until age 30 to get baptized as jesus did, i never would have got baptized at all.. so my question is: was my baptisum actualy vaild?
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freddo
Check out WT 1964 P126 First Paragraph.
"However, it is a different matter when a person was committing a serious wrongdoing at the time of his "dedication" and baptism and even thereafter. If one was habitually sinning, practicing a grievous wrongduring this time, even though ceasing from it some time after his baptism and making advancementin the service of Jehovah, he was in an unclean state before God at the time of his baptism. Such a baptism, as it did not follow a true dedication, would be invalid. If such a person has now foresaken that practice of sin, repented and made a sincere dedication of himself to Jehovah God, he should be rebaptized. (italics added)
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Emotional blackmail in this cult sadly works
by troubled mind inlast night my husband and i were out having ice cream @ culvers when we noticed a group of jws coming in after their meeting .. it seemed a celebration for one family.
we saw the father of the family was all dressed up and associating with everyone .
he had da'd himself over 20 yrs ago and has been blacklisted from family and friends this whole time .i guessed last night was his reinstatement to the cult .
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freddo
The silver lining to this dark grey cloud is that he will be a cancer from within. You cannot go back to believing once the scales have dropped from your eyes.
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A good friend of mine was df'd this week.
by wha happened? ina good friend of mine was df'd this week.
he did so much for this organization.
as an accomplished musician and composer, he has contributed so much over the years.his work is in most of the homes of an avg jw.
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freddo
To whoknows:-
I am an ocean away and yet I feel your pain. You gave your lives to their false promises and these twisted souls treat you like rubbish ...
"Forgive them for they do not know what they do!" The problem is they do know what they do!
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Make August 2009 the dawn of the "mass exodus"...the beginning of the end of the Watchtower org!
by koolaid-man inthe watchtower organization is without doubt doing everything they can to keep their business afloat.
they are at a critical point in their ever so blemished present condition.
there is simply too much genuine criticism from not only those on the outside but, also from those on the inside.
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freddo
If you want to write a letter then send it to people known to you in nearby congregations (highlighting things that highlight the WT's lack of love/false prophecies etc) that specifically will appeal to them. (Anonymously if necessary)
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Fat Men with Beards are Unclean
by ozziepost inhave you noticed how illustrations in the watchtower magazine reinforce witness stereotypes?.
the april 15 issue of the watchtower, on the back page, shows a man viewing pornographic material on his computer screen.
the appearance is not of a cleancut man with business shirt and tie in this case; no, this unclean man is portly and has a black beard.
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freddo
At the 2009 DC I was pleasantly surprised at the number of bearded men - probably 1 in 20 I reckoned on one walkabout through the stadium. Mind you this is the UK...
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Mr. Flipper Talks with Bethel Legal Service Desk Rep About JW Child Abuse
by flipper inwell - i had been wanting to do this for a long time , to question a legal department representative at bethel about the child abuse settlements and jw child abuse, since last year when the news came out about it.
especially since my dad , an elder for years was never aware of it and has on his own taken steps to see that families with children are informed if a former pedophile is in their congregation.
i was curious as to what the current views and policies in place are .
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freddo
Excellent job Flipper.
I missed this thread first time around and it's worth keeping at the forefront. I've been a JW all my life (48 yrs) and can endorse that branches and HQ are all about CYA! CYA is the most important thing to a Bethel heavy.
And of course the vast majority of them haven't got kids!
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A little advice needed on disassociating myself
by MisfitMeL inyes i know i tend to post here only when i need advice or have something to rant about .
so i'm living in the uk but leaving very shortly to go back to my home country of india and try my career luck there (what with the recession and all that).
i'll be living with my mum for a while and i am soooo not looking forward to it.
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freddo
About Snakes "bribe the elders advice" ... and "UK elders can't be bothered with the card sending etc"
Be careful on this one - in India JW's are often near the "ex colonial" enclaves like Goa or/and sometimes there is a relatively rich British, American or Portuguese ex-pat. on the body of elders who will go running to Brooklyn over the heads of the locals.
On the card sending - brilliant advice. I had experience of this between the UK and another EU country and a girl successfully faded, the cards I sent to the address she gave me for the Secretary in the congo she was going to were returned as "not known at this address" (or what ever that nation's equivalent is) and she is now back in our City, with a child, un-married and untouched (JW discipline wise) by her old congo who if they could be assed could df her easily. And mummy is a pioneer and stepdad is an elder LOL!
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A little advice needed on disassociating myself
by MisfitMeL inyes i know i tend to post here only when i need advice or have something to rant about .
so i'm living in the uk but leaving very shortly to go back to my home country of india and try my career luck there (what with the recession and all that).
i'll be living with my mum for a while and i am soooo not looking forward to it.
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freddo
Frankly I cannot for the life of me understand why you A) Want to go and live with your mother after the way you describe her. B) Think that DA'ing will help the situation, and C) Think that you have the prospect of a better economic future in India as a woman aged 26 than in Edinburgh.
Either you have not thought this through or I am missing something? Think it through very very carefully.... please!
Freddo
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Sending Out a Letter to My JW Daughter - Give Me Your Thoughts Please
by flipper insome of you probably read my jw daughter's letter to mrs. flipper and me a few weeks ago where she tried explaining to mrs. flipper why she doesn't have anything to do with me ( says i talk negative towards the organization ) .
in that letter though she showed some flashes of her authentic, kind personality and told us she loves us.
but much of the letter was proselytizing to us about how bad the system is and how jeovah will bring a paradise, etc.
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freddo
Flipper's good and so's Vinny.
I'm like Flipper in that I am waiting to "choose my moment" when family conditions are at their best (in my case death of my ageing jw father and possible moving away from the area - my three to five year plan!) (Present plan is building up non jw friendships). My wife knows pretty much how I feel, though I don't ram it down her throat and she has enough to "shop me" if she wanted to which she has shown by her actions she doesn't.
I think the problem is that if you've not been caught out for some years on an ex-jw board then you feel "safe" and it isn't until someone who knows you chances upon your photos that you get "blown out of the water". I wouldn't post any for the reasons Vinny highlights but can understand the urge to say/show something by way of asserting your natural self which is repressed out of fear, cowardice or pragmatic reasons or a mixture of all three.
The chances of discovery are remote - but real if someone is "hunting you down". If someone sees them who is fading and wanting out themselves then it is unlikely they will blow your cover because they need to explain how they found the pictures anyway.
I love Flipper's posts and Vinny's too. When the time is right (for selfish me) I want a heart to heart with my family and while I hope to remain un- d/f'd then it will be verbally on a one to one basis. Perhaps Flipper could meet his daughter alone at some point? If the DF comes then it will be letters to all and sundry!